Too much endless discussion
So what is CEC?
Eventually it is the ability to co-ordinate the entire response to the sensor data eg.
1. What is the optimum position and orientation for each platform in the defence/offensive network
2. Which missiles/guns from which ship/aircraft should be assigned to each target
3. Handing off control of the missiles from a launch platform to the targeting/control platform.
Again, this barely uses any data throughput, because the sensor and data processing all happens locally.
So the additional cost of adding CEC datalinks to a ship is marginal.
The hardware comprises a few computer cabinets and a few AESA datalink receivers/transmitters.
Most of the cost is comprised of software and algorithms.
And again, a fleet wants to spend most of its time under EMCON, and never wants to use its radars or outbound CEC.
I would agree that Kirov Battlecruisers had a secondary mission to protect carriers and lead battlegroups.
But what is the point of putting in a nuclear reactor with unlimited range, if the other ships are conventionally powered?
It doesn't make any sense, unless you plan on the Battlecruiser operating independently.
The distance from Murmansk to the sea lanes between Europe and the USA is 5000km.
The Slava and Sovremenny only have a range of 5000km-6000km at 18knots, so they are reliant on a slow underway replenishment ship.
So why would you want a nuclear-powered Kirov, if it was going to be tethered to slower ships that need a replenishment ship anyway?
The Kuznetsov carriers and Udaloys are longer-ranged (15000km at 18knots approx).
So they could get to the NATO shipping lanes and back, although they probably would want a replenishment ship to accompany.
Again, why would you want a nuclear-powered Kirov, if it was going to be tethered to slower ships which include a replenishment ship?
In addition, you end up with a group mostly comprised of capital ships (Kuznetsov+Kirov) with only a few Udaloys as ASW escorts.
And a Kirov Battlecruiser is definitely a high-priority target, because its sheer size and armament make it a Capital Ship.
If the Soviet Navy really did plan on using Kirovs with non-nuclear ships - then the decision to make the Kirov nuclear-powered was a big mistake.
Actually, its very relevant. But it requires that you change your idea about the Type 055 being a kind of Tico equivalent carrier escort that sticks fairly close to a carrier. Its very design reeks of something else. Something a bit more different.Yes, all your points about radars, ESM and horizons is correct, but also irrelevant.
Think about how operations are going to be conducted around the 2nd Island Chain.
Such fleets will be under complete EMCON silence, with all radars and electronics switched off.
So it doesn't matter if the Type-55 has better electronics and radars than a Type-52D or an Arsenal Ship or Missile-Carrying Destroyer.
Anti-ship missiles will be relying on offboard targeting.
And land-attack missiles will be pre-programmed.
So the only time when the superior radars of a Type-55 matters is when they have already been detected and are under attack.
And bluntly speaking, you want a Type-52D to have a larger radar signature in such a scenario.
Because it's better for a cheaper Type-52D to get hit instead of a Type-55.
I see the 055 hull being overbuilt, because you can use something cheaper and simpler.A notional Chinese Navy arsenal ship (or missile-carrying destroyer) would have to sail into the same high-risk zones as the multi-role Type-55.
So I struggle to see how a Type-55 hull can really be "overbuilt".
Remember it is about stripping out unneeded systems. Mainly the long-range radars and SAM fire-control systems, but other systems as well.
Speed matters in getting into range fast, and then getting out fast.
Range is not an issue, because it's only 1day to cross the 1st Island Chain, and another 2 days to reach the 2nd Island Chain.
So it makes sense to leave the propulsion as-is, so the entire SAG can operate at high-speed.
And yes, six 5MW generators is a lot for a ship without long-range radars, lasers or railguns.
But it is straightforward to remove unneeded generators.
And it is also straightforward to install the generators later if they are needed.
Remember that I'm using the Type-55 hull as an example, but it may be that the smaller Type-52 hull works out better as an arsenal ship / missile-carrying destroyer.
It is definitely a new type, or at least for the Chinese Navy, a new generation of ship. All previous ships, from the 054 hulls, the 056 hull, the 052C/D hull, they all stem from previous Chinese administrations and the naval leadership that came with them. So they tend to reflect the situation and political ambitions at that time. The 055 is probably the first all new ship design of the Xi Jing Ping era. There is something about it that is more radical, more risk taking, more ambitious than previous Chinese warships. Much more than the technology, its the very attitude. Xi Jing Ping is far more global than previous Chinese leaders in his outlook and with his sense of China in its place in the world. His leadership and values will reflect on the naval leadership that comes to power during his era. That's going to reflect down to the ship compositions and designs as well.Umm..Maybe the Chinese wanted a new hull design to accommodate future requirements? Maybe type-055 is the first of their own ABs that would form the bulk of their AEGIS like fleet? If economics and requirements permit, they would have a ship hull that as considerable growth potential, ready to be stretched or shrinked a little bit ?
Overbuilt in the context and sake of being a disposable, budget or support destroyer. That is what I should have meant. A 052X type hull would probably be better for this.I don't see the 055 being overbuilt. Assuming the ship doesn't ave any fatal flaws, I think the type-55 is one of the few ship class in the planet that is rightly built. There isn't a destroyer out there that is fully combat equipped and future ready except for the Daring Class of UK.
Little information. Just because things are silent doesn't mean something is brewing.Very few discussions on the Technical aspects of the ship these days.
Are there any pictures of inside the bridge of type-055 ?
Is there a 'Command Center 'within the ship like that of the Zumwalt ? If not, is there an alternative?
What about Anti- Torpedo torpedoes and torpedoes themselves? Any new news of the hyper-sonic AsBM for the ship? New goodies in the making to stuff the big VLS farm of type-055?
What is the Wuhan Institute of Marine Electric Propulsion upto these days? What about their IEPS systems about which there was some news of progress back in 2013?
Sejong class? Maya class?There isn't a destroyer out there that is fully combat equipped and future ready except for the Daring Class of UK.
Doesn't have IEPS or is based on the Arleigh Burke class. For me IEPS, advanced radars and LO conscious Hull design would constitute as being future ready. I am very aware of the low offensive capability of the Daring class.Sejong class? Maya class?
Daring has little offensive capabilities with just harpoon has an AShM. They'll probably put NSM going forward. In anti air, Paams is good but its not a BM defender.
Infact, as they're designed, type 26 frigates have much more muscle than type 45 destroyers.