Type 055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread


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I'll go out on a limb and say it will also have APARS (possibly above the bridge) and will most likely have a couple of AK1130. Also hanger for 2 helos. Nothing exotic like the Zumwalt but an evolutionary step up from 052D.
Yep, 052Ds APAR seems likely, along with the type 1130 and two hangars.
The big questions are VLS number, and type of propulsion. The latter will be influential because it will directly determine if 055 can be refitted with DEW or rail gun in future
 

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Yep, 052Ds APAR seems likely, along with the type 1130 and two hangars.
The big questions are VLS number, and type of propulsion. The latter will be influential because it will directly determine if 055 can be refitted with DEW or rail gun in future
are you implying nuclear propulsion? or just something more exotic like COGAS or COGES albeit conventional?
 

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are you implying nuclear propulsion? or just something more exotic like COGAS or COGES albeit conventional?
Definitely not nuclear. Basically what you said but in a COGAG configuration. Type 45/zumwalt type propulsion but with four QC280s. IEP — integrated electric propulsion
 

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Yep, 052Ds APAR seems likely, along with the type 1130 and two hangars.
The big questions are VLS number, and type of propulsion. The latter will be influential because it will directly determine if 055 can be refitted with DEW or rail gun in future
Imho, i supposed the mechanics of a rail gun is much more complexed than a conventional naval gun... also the power output to operate the rail gun is much higher than to powered a conventional gun. Hence in this case a nuclear propulsion system is needed but I reckon it won't be on the earlier type of 055 but later type or another model!
 

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Imho, i supposed the mechanics of a rail gun is much more complexed than a conventional naval gun... also the power output to operate the rail gun is much higher than to powered a conventional gun.
That general statement is true, I'd agree.

Hence in this case a nuclear propulsion system is needed but I reckon it won't be on the earlier type of 055 but later type or another model!
But that doesn't mean nuclear propulsion is necessary. For instance, the zumwalt class fields two rolls royce gas turbines rated at 40 MW each, giving a total of 80 MW fitted in an IEP system, yet that is the same ship which the USN plans to refit with railguns and lasers in future (no nuclear propulsion required)
Similarly a lot of smaller ships in development are also open for exotic DEW refits in future, but they are all IEP too. I'm no military marine engineer, but I believe it isn't the raw power output of the ship which counts, but rather the way they are arranged, and their efficiency etc.

We've all heard how 055s will be fitted with 4 QC280s. Supposedly QC280s can produce 28 MW each, giving 055 a max power output of about 120 MW. some sources claim a lower 23MW, but even then we're looking at over 90MW total. If those gas turbines are fitted in an IEP just a fraction as efficient as zumwalt, 055 could certainly have the provisions in place for a railgun mounting or DEW in future.
 
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The number of 052D built at one time probably means the electromagnetic integration of the new radar and missile system has been completed on the testing vessel, so the 052D has the purpose as the 052C (improved) and as a lead-in of the newer design that is on the rumour - for one, the need of modern and capable DDG is still great in PLAN (there're still plenty of 051 series ships to be replaced), also the redesigning of layouts will be a practice to be feedback into the new design.
 
I would rather have more 052D than 055A, perhaps the composition 2:1.

052D is extremely capable DDG, at least would be as capable as the British Type 45.

055A is useful for CBG and not really more useful than 052D even in the second island chain. PLAN is not USN and I believe China don't want to be the world policeman.

I'd say 12 055A (for 4 CBGs) and 24 052D, 6 052C+ and 48 054A/B and 75 056A/B ... should be achieved in 2025

Remember China has limited defence budget.

China should increase its defence spending to 2.5% GDP which would be (2013) ~$200B
 

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I would rather have more 052D than 055A, perhaps the composition 2:1.
I think a 2:1 or even 3:1 DDG to CG ratio would be healthy.

052D is extremely capable DDG, at least would be as capable as the British Type 45.
Lol do you really want to start a comparison thread, because I'd love to tell you why comparing Type 45 and 052D is a bad idea.

055A is useful for CBG and not really more useful than 052D even in the second island chain. PLAN is not USN and I believe China don't want to be the world policeman.

I'd say 12 055A (for 4 CBGs) and 24 052D, 6 052C+ and 48 054A/B and 75 056A/B ... should be achieved in 2025

Remember China has limited defence budget.

China should increase its defence spending to 2.5% GDP which would be (2013) ~$200B
I'm not going to speculate on how many ships the PLAN will or won't build, but I do want to remind folks that most most nation's CVBGs do not have more than a couple of destroyers and frigates... and many of them only include one or two aegis style wide area defence style ships.
France comes close, with their horizon/FREMM, but even then they field a small number. Countries like India, even until now can only muster up the delhi class DDG as their most powerful surface combatant and a few shtil equipped frigates to escort viraat.

PLAN, with it's 6 052C + multiple 052Ds, and upcoming 055s (the latter two types being built in who knows what kind of number), are definitely not playing a little boy's CVBG game and are leaping directly ahead to a force that can challenge the USN. In fact, outside of the USN, only Russia operates anything near a credible cruiser force and even then a couple of cold war era slavas aren't a very serious threat.
 
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"Lol do you really want to start a comparison thread, because I'd love to tell you why comparing Type 45 and 052D is a bad idea."

why is that ? please tell me
 

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Well we've had numerous back and forth comparisons between Type 45 and 052C/D across a few threads and they've always been inconclusive and end up drawing attention away from the main threaad. And the references for Type 45's supposed world class anti air capability are all usually somewhat biased.

As for the actual ships... well Type 45 has 48 cells only capable of firing Aster 15 and 30 in a hot launched manner while 052D is armed with 64 multipurpose cells that can both hot and cold launch missiles from SAMs to ASROCs to AShMs, as well as quad packing SAMs like ESSM.

Comparing 052C and Type 45 as similar to each other would be fair enough, but I think 052D and Type 45 are on quite different levels (one can make an argument that type 052D isn't in service yet, but then again we have no problem comparing future ships from other countries with existing ships, such as zumwalt versus current ships).


Making comparisons steps on toes, especially if they're not backed up by explanations.
 

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