Type 055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread


Jeff Head

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I find it hard to believe that china will make the jump from 052D (about 7500t) to type 055 (12000t). I believe that type 055 (or whatever the name is) is coming but i dont think that it will have that much displacement. It maybe possible. But i find it hard to believe.
I still believe (as I stated earlier) that they will produce a number of Type 052Ds and start getting them worked up and deployed and integrated into the fleets before they even start the Type 055 or whatever it ends up being.

They still have Type 052Cs (which are good and capable vessels) to integrate, not to mention the three 052Ds either outfitting or under construction and those that will follow.

Not to mention a number of Type 054As that have still not completed outfitting and being integrated into the fleets.

They have a lot to do, and it is going to take a few years just to accomplish all of that.

No, my opinion is that they will wait until 2016 or later before starting to build whatever this vessel turns out to be.

But time will tell, and I will be the first to admit I could be wrong.
 
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Actually the large jump in displacement actually makes sense in my eyes.

055/or whatever its name is, has always been claimed to be produced alongside 052D, that is to say, 052D won't be superseded by 055 but rather the two will operate alongside each other much as 054A does with 052C. At 7500 tons, 052D is already a formidable destroyer, equipped with 64 VLS that are as capable as Mk 57. A different and heavier class of warship will need to have capabilities which do not overlap much (looking at burke DDG and tico CG here), especially if it is produced in a much smaller number than the DDG weight class below it.

Of course PLAN could've gone for a 10,000 ton burke style DDG with 96 odd VLS, but the consistently quoted 12k figure could reflect some internal decision to go full on capital ship and give zumwalt a run for its money, or believe their shipbuilding industry can handle it.


And the continued 052D production at JNCX (3 now launched, another in the building hall), without pause, certainly reflects a new boldness in PLAN procurement beyond the early 2000s of "build a pair, test it out". The question is whether this is now standard for all new PLAN surface combatants (a pattern we've seen with 022, 056, 054A and now 052D).
 
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AeroEngineer

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I find it hard to believe that china will make the jump from 052D (about 7500t) to type 055 (12000t). I believe that type 055 (or whatever the name is) is coming but i dont think that it will have that much displacement. It maybe possible, i dont know what sources Henri K has inside PLA (if he has any), and what he says could be true. But i find it hard to believe.

I acutally find it very easy to believe this.

052D use two QC-280 engine, and 055 will use 4 QC-280. Two QC-280 can drive a 7500 tons 052D to 30 knots, so 4 can easily drive a 12000 055 to 30 knots plus more extra power to power future systems like laser defence systems, and rail guns.

China will build 2 055 in 2013, and commission them in 2017, trail them for 4 years and start mass production in 2020. There are rumors that 24 055 will be build.

From 2012 to 2020, 14 052D, and 4 052C will be build, so you are looking at 22 052s, then by 2030, 22 052s plus 24 055.

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Bltizo

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China will build 2 055 in 2013, and commission them in 2017, trail them for 4 years and start mass production in 2020.
I've heard nothing of 2 055s being built at a time. Noise makes it sound like they'll be built one by one alongside 052D at JNCX

There are rumors that 24 055 will be build.
... What. We don't even have solid predictions for 052D, let alone rumours for 055. Lets not get ahead of ourselves here
 

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There's a lot of wishful thinking for the Type 055 DDG design, though it's understandable because clearly the current 052C/D hull has reach its limit, if to pack more firepower and better electronic suite a new design will be needed.

BTW, the only known official 055 project was a 8000-ton DDG started way back in the 1960s, then due to its unrealistic goals in relations the realities of Chinese industrial capabilities at that time, was scrapped by the early 1980s (by then it was planned to import the British Type-42 design and its suites) and from thereon, the baby-steps approach that finally bear fruits in 052C DDG, amongst other things...

So how and why the 055 code got resurrected for a new project? As such, if the new DDG going to be such an improvement from even the 052D, then it should be at least using "057", though equally logical they can stick with the 052 series and calling it "052E".
 
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Bltizo

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There's a lot of wishful thinking for the Type 055 DDG design, though it's understandable because clearly the current 052C/D hull has reach its limit, if to pack more firepower and better electronic suite a new design will be needed.
Lol that sounds kinda like a contradictory statement... although I agree that estimating anything like its production run at this stage is premature.

I think the only "confirmed" aspects of this ship is the name, 055, the displacement, 12,000 tons, and the engines, 4x QC280. Kind of like how we knew J-20 was called J-XX back in the day, and how it had a canard delta configuration, was twin engined, heavy air superiority etc.

BTW, the only known official 055 project was a 8000-ton DDG started way back in the 1960s, then due to its unrealistic goals in relations the realities of Chinese industrial capabilities at that time, was scrapped by the early 1980s (by then it was planned to import the British Type-42 design and its suites) and from thereon, the baby-steps approach that finally bear fruits in 052C DDG, amongst other things...
8000 ton DDG?
I recall from somewhere that the 055 designation has been used for a heavy surface combatant project (earliest I heard was 70s though), but for some reason it's been resurrected.

So how and why the 055 code got resurrected for a new project? As such, if the new DDG going to be such an improvement from even the 052D, then it should be at least using "057", though equally logical they can stick with the 052 series and calling it "052E".
Well if it is such an improvement from 052D it could warrant its own designation... namely if it is a brand new hull. 052D indeed can trace its lineage all the way back to 052.

There was a discussion over on CDF about this a while ago actually, I think hmmvw said they weren't reusing the 055 designation but rather updating its requirements... Making it sound like the original 055 project from the 70s was put on ice indifinitely and then through some circumstance or analysis or requirement, they rediscovered the project and heavily modernized it (I'm not claiming that the modern 055 is physically related to the original in any way, but rather that they may have filled similar roles in the navy of both eras)
 

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Lol that sounds kinda like a contradictory statement... although I agree that estimating anything like its production run at this stage is premature.

I think the only "confirmed" aspects of this ship is the name, 055, the displacement, 12,000 tons, and the engines, 4x QC280. Kind of like how we knew J-20 was called J-XX back in the day, and how it had a canard delta configuration, was twin engined, heavy air superiority etc.



8000 ton DDG?
I recall from somewhere that the 055 designation has been used for a heavy surface combatant project (earliest I heard was 70s though), but for some reason it's been resurrected.



Well if it is such an improvement from 052D it could warrant its own designation... namely if it is a brand new hull. 052D indeed can trace its lineage all the way back to 052.

There was a discussion over on CDF about this a while ago actually, I think hmmvw said they weren't reusing the 055 designation but rather updating its requirements... Making it sound like the original 055 project from the 70s was put on ice indifinitely and then through some circumstance or analysis or requirement, they rediscovered the project and heavily modernized it (I'm not claiming that the modern 055 is physically related to the original in any way, but rather that they may have filled similar roles in the navy of both eras)
I'll go out on a limb and say it will also have APARS (possibly above the bridge) and will most likely have a couple of AK1130. Also hanger for 2 helos. Nothing exotic like the Zumwalt but an evolutionary step up from 052D.
 

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I'll go out on a limb and say it will also have APARS (possibly above the bridge) and will most likely have a couple of AK1130. Also hanger for 2 helos. Nothing exotic like the Zumwalt but an evolutionary step up from 052D.
I agree. Imho, As of now, the PLAN doesn't need anything larger than Zumwalt class. PLAN interest is in the Western Pacific - long term goal. For that to happen, a breakthrough of 1st and 2nd island chain need to be fulfilled first before Western Pacific. Furthermore, if the 055 is a 12, 000 tons vessels, it is more than enough to project itself as a strong and powerful naval power in the Asian regions. For short term interests, we might see PLAN solidify it's presence in Asia first.
 

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