054/A FFG Thread II

[MastanKhan]

Hi will this 054/ p be coming back for further refits like radars and other gadgets or is it not completely handover to PN for operational duties
if possible to answer
thank you

Hi,

The first trial start from the instant the ship is pushed into the water. That is the first step in its sea worthiness. It is tested for leaks and water tight compartments---. The physical parts of the ship will be put thru the tests and while that is going on---there would be work still going on, on the ship---.

 

[Tam]

The 054A on the left, which is where this picture is taken, I think it might be the recently overhauled 529.

 

[by78]

The 054A/P for Pakistan is being moved...

 

[Imran]

Interesting chart of frigate/corvette construction build.

Whether this chart is based on true knowledge, we cant say at this moment...........but time will tell as when new ships are completed we will be able to make a comparison of pennant numbers against this list.

One thing though I noticed there does seem to be errors on the list as it is currently shown..........i.e. there are some pennant numbers shown where the older 053 ships will be replaced by 054B Frigates, but the actual pennant numbers are shown in the 054A Frigate column.

It would of been nice to of seen a time frame on this list as well.

Interestingly, I have also seen Chinese navy construction plans for this decade on another website, and again the list appears to of been created by a Chinese person, who seemed to of gone to great lengths to specify how much of a percent each ship would be completed in a given year.

If I can find it again i'll post it just for reference!

Points noticed on that chart were that only 1 new carrier would be built between now and 2020.
Construction of 055 Destroyer/Cruiser to begin in 2013.
By 2020 I think the list said there would be at least 8 055's completed.

The type 052D construction would continue aside the type 055, and in the latter part of the decade a further improved version of this class the 052E would be built around 2017 onwards.

Like I said, the charts could be a Chinese fanboys creation, BUT it will be interesting to see if they become realised to be true.

Its true now.
Its mid-2013 post.

 

[sndef888]

Why did Pakistan buy the 054A when the 054B is right around the corner?

I feel like the 054A is starting to show its age just a little bit, and the biggest problem is that its VLS is not standard

 

[Dante80]

Why did Pakistan buy the 054A when the 054B is right around the corner?

The last two orders for 054As were in mid2018. We are getting to 2021 and 054B does not even exist as a class yet.

 

[lcloo]

Why did Pakistan buy the 054A when the 054B is right around the corner?

I feel like the 054A is starting to show its age just a little bit, and the biggest problem is that its VLS is not standard

War ship procurement is a lengthy process. First you spend one or two years looking for a frigate that suit your requirement. Then you spend from 2 to 5 years negotiating a contract involving thousands of things, but mainly on construction time, price, specs on weapons, electronics etc. Other items in your contract would involve items down right to kitchen equipment and bath room fittings, chairs, color of paint etc. etc. The amount of contract papers can easily be filled a room or two.

Then the shipyard would take 3 to 5 years to design or modify original designs, sourcing sub-components, cutting steel etc. before the ship is launched.

So the whole process would take at least 6 years before you see the ship launched, which is 2014. There is no type 054B in 2014 and not even in 2020.

 

[P5678]

Why did Pakistan buy the 054A when the 054B is right around the corner?

I feel like the 054A is starting to show its age just a little bit, and the biggest problem is that its VLS is not standard

What is your definition of 'around the corner'? Like construction will be started in 2020 or 2021 or something else? Also, do you have a source to provide evidence that it is around the corner by your definition?

 

[Tam]

Why did Pakistan buy the 054A when the 054B is right around the corner?

I feel like the 054A is starting to show its age just a little bit, and the biggest problem is that its VLS is not standard

Pakistan's version of the 054A is quite different from the PLAN version.

1. The 'Top Plate' Type 382 search radar is replaced by the AESA SR2410C radar. The Type 382 electronically scans by vertical only, and it needs to be mechanically rotated on the horizon in order to get X and Y coordinate. This radar is heavily inspired from the Fregat MAE or Top Plate from the Russians, that is also used with the Indian Navy including Talwar and P17 frigates. The SR2410C AESA is a full X and Y axis electronic scanning, mechanically rotated for a full 360 degree view and this is more closer to the Thales SMART-S Mark II used by the French Navy or the Type 997 Artisan radar used by the Royal Navy.
2. Different EW suite.
3. Possible use of CM302, which is the export YJ-12.
4. Addition not seen in the 054A, which is the addition of VHF radar, namely the export version of the Type 517. The Type 517 is used on the Type 052C and 052D destroyers along with the Jiangwei frigates, but a modified export version is also used on the Pakistan F22P frigates, so the PN is familiar with it.

 

[Lethe]

Why did Pakistan buy the 054A when the 054B is right around the corner?

I feel like the 054A is starting to show its age just a little bit, and the biggest problem is that its VLS is not standard

Export customers generally want equipment that has a proven record of performance and reliability, an established logistics chain, and domestic service buy-in as a guarantee of long-term support.

I don't think there is any real issue using the older VLS. 054A doesn't have the radar for and is clearly not intended as a long-range "shield type" AAW platform, so it doesn't need to fire HQ-9 or successor missiles. Anti-ship or land-attack missiles can be mounted in box launchers. The only real issue is a probable lack of compatibility with the future 5-5-5 quad-pack missile. But even on that score, HQ-16 is likely to outperform it on a per-missile basis. Even if 054B and all future PLAN warships are equipped with the universal VLS system, PLAN will still be using the older system for at least the next 25 years, and HQ-16 itself has considerable future development potential, being almost as large as SM-2.