Type 054/A FFG Thread II


sndef888

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Future proof for what mission?

24 UVLS on a Type-054A by definition means additional anti-ship and anti-air capabilities.

That comes at additional cost.
Future proof in terms of upgrading to the possible future sams, future ahms, and also the possibility of expanding its role in the future etc. Leaving it FFBNW would result in almost no extra cost
 
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AndrewS

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Future proof in terms of upgrading to the possible future sams, future ahms, and also the possibility of expanding its role in the future etc. Leaving it FFBNW would result in almost no extra cost

A bigger UVLS, redesigned internal spaces, a new combat management system. That's not a small change.

Even with 50 Type-054A in service by 2025, I think there still a suitable role for them in the fleet structure escorting ships which are slower than a carrier or in providing presence.

Anyway, the first updated Type-054B is supposed to start construction during the 2021-2025 period.
 

daifo

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As many have said earlier, the 054A is fine for its role, as a cheap asw frigate that has some basic air defense and anti ship capabilities.

I just can't help thinking a slightly modified 054A with 24 UVLS would be more versatile and future proof for not much added cost

There is large cost with the "newer" missles and the need for new electonic/radars/management systems to take advantage of them. I think it would be more useful if they can increase the speed of the 54a by smaller load and/or enhance engine which would allow it to play a wider role in the fleet.
 

Tam

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They are retiring 20 Type 56 to the coast guard, so I would no be surprise if they replace them with the more capable Type 54a


You can think of it in another way. If they are building 20 054A and 12 will be in Huangpu Shipyard, that shipyard is responsible for much of the CCG, MSA and other government ships. You are going to be locking that shipyard exclusively for 054A/B production in the next few years, which means you cannot build new CCG vessels in this time. So its appropriate to move existing PLAN vessels to CCG use.
 

Tam

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Are we sure another batch of 20 054As have been ordered? Tbh that doesn't make sense to me, if the 054B has been delayed somehow and this is another interim order you'd think it'd be smaller, like under 10. Despite the huge numbers that have been built the main thing the 054A has going for it is okay anti-air ability (and anti-submarine?), and even then only medium-range SAMs, it's weak in other areas like anti-ship and nonexistent land-attack capability. Overall clearly less capable than something like the Admiral Gorshkov class for instance and far less impressive than the PLAN's new destroyer classes in stark contrast. You'd think China should wait until the 054B before ordering more?

Is it possible the new order is actually for an upgraded class?


To be clear, this is what I think is happening.

The PLAN reserved 20 slots for frigates, and another 20 slots for destroyers in other shipyards which will be another story. The orders were for 054A, but they don't necessarily be like the 054A we have seen before. I counted at least a total of four batches or flights of 054A, and this is the fifth one, which on top of the fourth, which alone has many changes away from the first, added AESA target illuminators for the missiles replacing the AJK-16 illuminators. Its possible the next batch of ships may have more changes --- the minimum sized batch we have seen for the 054A is four, with the first four (1st to 4th) and the last four (26th to 30th) are separate batches of their own, with differing features.

The nature of the shipbuilding business is that the customer has to make orders in advance to reserve the building slots. That's what the PLAN has to do. But it does not mean that the last ship made will be the same as the first, and as we have seen with many other ship classes, there are always gradual changes along the way. The customer, in which case the PLAN, can always modify the contract. For example, recently, the order for the Evergreen A class on Jiangnan Shipyards called originally for 23,888 TEU or something. But Evergreen modified their contract so that the ships, which already one has launched, is now over 24,000 TEU.

In short, what is set is stone is that you're going to have 20 additional frigates. What is not set in stone is all the modifications and upgrades to them. This includes the option to switch the remaining reserved 054A to the 054B if they do desire.
 

Tyler

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You can think of it in another way. If they are building 20 054A and 12 will be in Huangpu Shipyard, that shipyard is responsible for much of the CCG, MSA and other government ships. You are going to be locking that shipyard exclusively for 054A/B production in the next few years, which means you cannot build new CCG vessels in this time. So its appropriate to move existing PLAN vessels to CCG use.
Why don't they just expand their capacity? Guangdong needs to expand for building all kinds of commercial ships.
 

Tam

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Why don't they just expand their capacity? Guangdong needs to expand for building all kinds of commercial ships.

They already have an expanded area for commercial ships. Its the small older shed that is used to make the navy and government vessels because the navy and government vessels do not need to be big.
 

lcloo

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Why don't they just expand their capacity? Guangdong needs to expand for building all kinds of commercial ships.
Guangzhou Huangpu has shipyards at different location for military/navy ships construction and commercial ships construction.

What you normally don't see is their shipyard at Longxue which builds large commercial ships. Longxue shipyard is many tens of miles away from the other shipyard that builds PLA navy ships.

Longxue shipyard.
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hkvaryag

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Guangzhou Huangpu has shipyards at different location for military/navy ships construction and commercial ships construction.

What you normally don't see is their shipyard at Longxue which builds large commercial ships. Longxue shipyard is many tens of miles away from the other shipyard that builds PLA navy ships.

Longxue shipyard.
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I remember that two 901 class AOE were built here.
 

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