Type 052C/052D Class Destroyers


Tam

Brigadier
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How likely are we to see an extended 052D or a 054E with additional 16 VLS?

That would make it basically a Burke equivalent

Quite unlikely. Both are aging platforms. Those stealthy lines might belie the fact that their hull foundation goes back to 30 years for the 052X, going back to the first pair of 052 Harbin and Qingdao, and the 054X goes to back about 20 years now from the first pair of Maanshan and Wenzhou. The simplest way to get more VLS is to mass produce 055s. This might sound big, complex and expensive but that sounds like the first Type 052C when it was first built, people are saying China won't build any more than two or four of these. Well, they did build six eventually and 25 of its immediate successor.

As time goes on, China's GDP rises, and you have the warship inflation trends, the 055 won't seem as big or as expensive or as unique in the future. As more units ar built, its cost per unit is also expected to go down.

Now with frigates, if you want more VLS, you build more frigates.
 

sndef888

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Quite unlikely. Both are aging platforms. Those stealthy lines might belie the fact that their hull foundation goes back to 30 years for the 052X, going back to the first pair of 052 Harbin and Qingdao, and the 054X goes to back about 20 years now from the first pair of Maanshan and Wenzhou. The simplest way to get more VLS is to mass produce 055s. This might sound big, complex and expensive but that sounds like the first Type 052C when it was first built, people are saying China won't build any more than two or four of these. Well, they did build six eventually and 25 of its immediate successor.

As time goes on, China's GDP rises, and you have the warship inflation trends, the 055 won't seem as big or as expensive or as unique in the future. As more units ar built, its cost per unit is also expected to go down.

Now with frigates, if you want more VLS, you build more frigates.
Crap that was a typo. I meant to type 052E not 054E

I agree the 052D is showing it's age. It is quite thin with a beam of just 17m compared to AB/Type 26/Type 45 which are all over 20 meters


055 really feels like it would be too big to mass produce unlike the US's 80+ Arleigh Burkes
 

Totoro

Captain
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So far only 8 cell modules have been observed. Which is actually a pity, as since the VLS can be made self contained per single cell, development of smaller modules should be fairly trivial. A 4 cell module with 4 cells in a single row would be quite beneficial in the future. Both for better using small spaces on larger ships and for enabling smaller ships to use VLS at all. Of course, not the big, long cells, but the short one.
 

AndrewS

Colonel
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Crap that was a typo. I meant to type 052E not 054E

I agree the 052D is showing it's age. It is quite thin with a beam of just 17m compared to AB/Type 26/Type 45 which are all over 20 meters


055 really feels like it would be too big to mass produce unlike the US's 80+ Arleigh Burkes

I recall a study which compared the Japanese Aegis destroyers versus the Burke in terms of complexity versus hull volume. The result comes as a ratio, but I don't remember the actual name of the ratio anymore.

It came to the conclusion that the Burke was inefficient as it was too complex given the hull volume. And that the larger Japanese hulls were more efficient.

So it's the Type-055 hull really too big?

Also, the Type-055 comes in at $900M which is half the cost of an Arleigh Burke.

And if you expect Chinese military spending to exceed US levels in the next 5-10 years, the conclusion is that mass production of the Type-055 is feasible.

Of course, whether that happens is more a choice on what the PLAN has decided is the optimum fleet mix.
 

blindsight

Junior Member
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I recall a study which compared the Japanese Aegis destroyers versus the Burke in terms of complexity versus hull volume. The result comes as a ratio, but I don't remember the actual name of the ratio anymore.

It came to the conclusion that the Burke was inefficient as it was too complex given the hull volume. And that the larger Japanese hulls were more efficient.

So it's the Type-055 hull really too big?

Also, the Type-055 comes in at $900M which is half the cost of an Arleigh Burke.

And if you expect Chinese military spending to exceed US levels in the next 5-10 years, the conclusion is that mass production of the Type-055 is feasible.

Of course, whether that happens is more a choice on what the PLAN has decided is the optimum fleet mix.
I support the idea that PLAN should focus on the 055X series instead of developing a new 052X iteration. The more suitable complement would be a multirole frigate, and it'd better be an all-new design.
 

AndrewS

Colonel
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I support the idea that PLAN should focus on the 055X series instead of developing a new 052X iteration. The more suitable complement would be a multirole frigate, and it'd better be an all-new design.

If you believe that, what do you think is the cost differential between a Type-055 and a notional Type-052E?

Remember the Type-055 is 6 billion RMB and a Type-052D is 3.5 billion RMB
 

blindsight

Junior Member
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If you believe that, what do you think is the cost differential between a Type-055 and a notional Type-052E?

Remember the Type-055 is 6 billion RMB and a Type-052D is 3.5 billion RMB

You have to consider them all together. If you build more 055s, the average cost could go lower, while that of a new iteration of 052X could go higher. One 055A plus one 057 may cost about the same as two 052E. I guess, for most missions, the former combination should have better performance.
 

ILikeChina

Junior Member
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If you believe that, what do you think is the cost differential between a Type-055 and a notional Type-052E?

Remember the Type-055 is 6 billion RMB and a Type-052D is 3.5 billion RMB
I believe these are older tag prices. Today probably much more than 6 billion for 055. The same situation is for 052D and 054A.
 

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