Type 052C/052D Class Destroyers


SoupDumplings

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It has conducted its maiden trial.
What irks me is 121. Just like other units launched from dalian, its taken way longer to be operationalized than ships launched from jiangnan. I'm not even sure if it has entered service yet.
Why are ships from Dalian so much slower? I thought the major ship companies have been merged together a while back? Has there been any improvement?
 

Tam

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Why are ships from Dalian so much slower? I thought the major ship companies have been merged together a while back? Has there been any improvement?
All but one of their ships are going to the 10th Destroyer Division in the North Seas Fleet. The squadron has been operating Ludas handed out from the 1st, and is transitioning straight to 052D from those Ludas. This formation has been taking time doing this transition. Lately at least one of their ships, 120 Chengdu has been exercising with 101 Nanchang, recent examples being live fire and UNREP drills.

121 Qiqihar is likely to have a dual simultaneous commission with 121 Tangshan. Other ships of this formation includes 119 Guiyang. Other ships to come from Dalian going to this formation includes pennant numbers 122, 123, 124 and 125. One Dalian ship, is going to the 2nd Division in the South China Seas as 163 Guilin. It is notable that 119 Guiyang is the first 052D that is completed by Dalian. Outside of 121 Qiqihar, the most completed 052DL among the 052DL currently being outfitted in Dalian is likely to be 163 Guilin.

Not sure of the thought processes involved why one ship each from Dalian and Jiangnan are "exchanged" between the North and the East/South fleets, as Jiangnan is the main supplier to the ESF/SSF while Dalian is to the NSF. 122 Tangshan will be the only 052D in the NSF that is from the Jiangnan other than 117 Xining. I am not sure of the thought process why the 10th is almost all the Dalian 052D except for one ship.
 

Bhurki

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Ok, the stretched variant is definitely in service. Below are screen captures of a TV report on an exercise by the Eastern Theater Command.


Zibo has been known to be in service for quite a few months now, whats not known is the status for 121,122 and 132 which are quite close being in service.
 

kickars

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I wonder if all future regular 052Ds will also get lengthened during their midlife refit. I would think by then navalised Z20s will be in relative high volume production. And the older models with less capabilities would be used on smaller ships or sold and retired eventually.
 

plawolf

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I am starting to think this is a hoax report given that the Australian Navy is in the Philippine Sea exercising with the US Navy.
Not necessarily. Remember the Phillipines started referring to the SCS as the ‘West Phillipines Sea’ or some similar BS, and it would be right on form for Australia to jump on that bandwagon.

The news article just had to also point out that it happened in the SCS as a nationalistic flex to show how ‘courageous’ the Aussies are for sticking one up at the ‘evil commie Chinese’ and also to supply pretext for the Australians being there (trade routes) because no one actually uses west Philippines sea or know where it is.
 

Tam

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Zibo has been known to be in service for quite a few months now, whats not known is the status for 121,122 and 132 which are quite close being in service.
Zibo belongs to the Sixth, which is an ace formation. The fact that the squadron has extensive experience with this class, likely made adoption and commission of the ship much quicker and easier. Other ships of this squadron include 150, 151, 152, and 153 --- all four are 052C, followed by 154 and 155, which are 052D. The next ship afterwards is going to be 157 Nanning from Jiangnan.

121 Qiqihar is in Dalian and 122 Tangshan is in Jiangnan. I am not sure if 121 is still having problems or the 10th division is still dragging its feet. 122 will be its squadmate with the 10th. The 10th is transition from Ludas to 052D abruptly, but already has two 052Ds, 119 Guiyang and 120 Chengdu.

132 Suzhou will be the next ship to go for the 3rd. This squadron is transitioning from the four Sovremenny, 136, 137, 138 and 139. 136 and 137 has been refitted, but 138 and 139 has not. The last we saw of 136 is that refit was finished and it was on trials last year, the last we saw on 137 is that it is in the middle of its MLU. The squad's current lead ship is 131 Taiyuan which is leading the Gulf of Aden task force right now.

Another 052DL ship has begun trials recently and that would be 162. That would be destined to the 2nd in the South Fleet, along with 161 Hohhot. Other ships in this squadron is the 167 Shenzhen, 168 Guanzhou and 169 Wuhan, being 051B and 052B ships, these are old. 168 is currently down in refit but 169 is still operating. So 161 is the only truly modern ship for an important squadron --- this formation covers the 071s based in Zhanjiang --- and so it desperately needs upgrade.

There are currently four 052DLs in the water outside of the fitting pool in Jiangnan. 122 is the only one that has a pennant number, but one might guess, the other three unmarked ships should be 157, 132 and 162.

A pattern has risen and the 052DL is being used to fill squadrons with older ships. They begin by sending one or two ships of 052D as a seed ship for training and acclimation to the type, before sending more of the 052DL.
 

Bhurki

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A pattern has risen and the 052DL is being used to fill squadrons with older ships. They begin by sending one or two ships of 052D as a seed ship for training and acclimation to the type, before sending more of the 052DL.
Any idea, presuming 1-1 replacement and even augmenting the squadrons to full strength, how many destroyers (052d only) up and over the already launched ones are required to fully replace those older units from all of these squadrons? Since they are all being given a training with the type.
 

Tam

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Any idea, presuming 1-1 replacement and even augmenting the squadrons to full strength, how many destroyers (052d only) up and over the already launched ones are required to fully replace those older units from all of these squadrons? Since they are all being given a training with the type.
I don't know if they intended each destroyer squadron to completely fill the blank pennant spaces. Just a note. But if they want to do that, they need to go past the 25th 052D. They are going to have to build more. A lot more. Maybe they will save the extra spaces for 052E?

You can make your conclusion from the listings.

2nd Destroyer Squadron. Located in Zhanjiang, Guangzhou.
161 Hohhot. This is 2nd block 052D. Some refinements over 1st block 052D.
162 052DL Huainan in trials in Jiangnan
163 052DL Guilin currently fitting in Dalian
164 052DL currently fitting in Jiangnan
165 Recently Retired Luda named Zhanjiang
166 Recently Retired Luda named Zhuhai
167 051B Shenzhen, refit active
168 052B Guanzhou, 052B currently in MLU, inactive
169 052B Wuhan, active

Five here if you are assuming replacement of older ships, but IMO 167, 168 and 169 still have more years, and 168 and 169 will get MLU. That leaves this squadron with two spares, 165 and 166 after the retired Ludas. The names Zhanjiang and Zhuhai will be open for adoption by future destroyer.

9th Destroyer Squadron. Located Sansha, Hainan.
170 052C Lanzhou
171 052C Haikou
172 052D Kunming
173 052D Changsha
174 052D Hefei
175 052D Yinchuan
176 to 179 empty

This squadron is the first to get 052C, and the first to get 052D. The four 052D ever made went as an entire group to the 9th. Since then, they didn't get any new ship. None of the remaining 052DL currently being made is slated for this squadron. So what gives? I suspect this group is going to get 055 in the future instead.

3rd Destroyer Squadon, ESF.
131 052D Taiyuan. First 052D of this group, a second block construction.
132 052DL Suzhou. 052DL currently in trials in Jiangnan.
133 052DL currently being fitted in Jiangnan
134 052DL currently being fitted in Jiangnan
135 Empty
136 956E Hanzhou refitted
137 956E Fuzhou refitted
138 956EM Taizhou in service
139 956EM Ningbo in service

5 more destroyers needed here if you want to fill all the numbers and replace the Sovremenny. But I don't think the Sovremenny will disappear soon.


6th Destroyer Squadron ESF
150 052C Changchun
151 052C Zhengzhou
152 052C Jinan
153 052C Xian
154 052D Xiamen
155 052D Nanjing
156 052DL Ningbo
157 052DL Nanning, currently in trials in Jiangnan
158 empty
159 empty

1st Destroyer Squadron
101 055 Nanchang
102 to 110 went to Anshan and Luda class destroyers, retired. 102 to 108 reserved for 055?
111 not used
112 052 Harbin
113 052 Qingdao
114 not used
115 051C Shenyang
116 051C Shijizhuang
117 052D Xining
118 052D Urumqi

Question mark if they plan to refit the 051C.

10th Destroyer Squdron
119 052D Guiyang
120 052D Chengdu, 2nd block ship
121 052D Qiqihar, sitting in Dalian, 2nd block ship
122 052DL Taishan, sitting in Jiangnan
123 052DL being fitted in Dalian
124 052DL being fitted in Dalian
125 052DL Wuxi being fitted in Dalian
126 to 129 empty
 

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