Type 052C/052D Class Destroyers


lcloo

Junior Member
???? Maybe someone can read this for me. Some kind of update is being done on a 052C. One of the Type 730 might be getting replaced by HQ-10. Two hangers? If any upgrade is done on Type 346 radar, it would be internal. The modules can be changed internally to new ones within the panel so it would be hard to tell from the outside when it is finished. If they are turning the hanger from one to two hangers, the rear rotary VLS might be deleted. There might also be less mechanicals below the HQ-10 compared to the Type 730. Is the VLS being changed in the ship?

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052C型駆逐艦1隻が改装を受けており、艦尾にある格納庫が1つ増えた。 レーダーやVLSを改装したかどうかは不明だ。
Translated from Japanese by Google
One 052C destroyer has been refurbished, and an additional hangar at the stern has been added. It is unknown whether the radar or VLS has been refurbished.


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Check my post #3594 on page 360 dated 28th December 2019. Looks like this is the answer to my question on type 052C DDG 150 that I asked last month
Why would they do some major work on DDG 150 which was commissioned in 2013? It is too early to do MLU for a 6 year old ship, and this looks like a major work instead of a routine maintenance. DDG 150 is the first ship of second batch of type 052C.

DDG 170 and 171 were commissioned in 2004 and 2005 are due for MLU yet we have not seen any photo of them being worked on.

Type 056 #582 was also commissioned in 2013, and is the lead ship of the class.

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Tam

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Check my post #3594 on page 360 dated 28th December 2019. Looks like this is the answer to my question on type 052C DDG 150 that I asked last month
I guess you were referring to this picture. I wasn't sure if this was an MLU or a routine maintenance for 150 and 582. Note 150's Type 730 is missing. 137 obscures too much of 150's view on the hanger to see what's going on with the rear VLS.


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lcloo

Junior Member
I guess you were referring to this picture. I wasn't sure if this was an MLU or a routine maintenance for 150 and 582. Note 150's Type 730 is missing. 137 obscures too much of 150's view on the hanger to see what's going on with the rear VLS.


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Yes, that is the photo I referred to. I guess they are using DDG 150 as an experiment to establish a protocol on upgrading the rest of type 052C to the latest type 052D improved spec as much as possible. Though I am puzzled why didn't they use DDG 170 or DDG 171.
 

para80

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It's an interesting photo. There's a heated debate on cjdby forum. Some suggested it's a Photoshoped photo. Whereas most seem to believe two hangers should never be considered for a destroyer of this size (6k+ ton) as that might increase the centre of gravity somehow, which in turn would compromise the stability.

But, one thing nobody with that thought has answered so far despite been asked a few times on that forum already is that how a hollow structure such as a hanger can cause the increase of centre of gravity when originally missiles and all the launching mechanisms were in its place.

I personally think it's another "religious" believe that tends to go around military enthusiasts. Well, one can always argue most navies don't value stability as much as PLAN does right now as not every navy is a "blue-water" navy. Then, how about the old Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate of the US Navy. It's the same size as PLAN's Type-054A (4k ton) and it has always had two hangers.
The German Navy has a consistent tendency to put double hangars on their hulls, ever since F122 Bremen class, which displaced 3,800 tons, and repeated that in every following class. So this is not accurate re stability concerns etc. Its purely a question of what a navy wants their hulls to do and how they can sustain such operations.
 

Tam

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Yes, that is the photo I referred to. I guess they are using DDG 150 as an experiment to establish a protocol on upgrading the rest of type 052C to the latest type 052D improved spec as much as possible. Though I am puzzled why didn't they use DDG 170 or DDG 171.
150 is ESF. All the ships shown in that image is ESF. That refit and repair facility is in the ECS. I suppose the SCS units might be too busy patrolling their area of responsibility. Also Sixth Destroyer Flotilla has more experience with 052C than any unit in the PLAN, with four ships. They recently got the first 052DL commissioned in the entire PLAN. They may have moved crews from 150 to 156, which is Zibo the new 052DL. If Type 054A gets MLU, it will be on this facility, and using units of either the 3rd or the 6th, both of the ESF. The 3rd is responsible of all four Sovremenny.

There is another repair and refit facility that does the SCS ships, including the 167 Shenzhen. I believe that's where the two stripped down 052B 168 Guangzhou and 169 Wuhan is. That is probably where 170 and 171 will get their refits.
 

Interstellar

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Yes, that is the photo I referred to. I guess they are using DDG 150 as an experiment to establish a protocol on upgrading the rest of type 052C to the latest type 052D improved spec as much as possible. Though I am puzzled why didn't they use DDG 170 or DDG 171.
It is just undergoing common maintenance and upkeeping.
 

Tam

Major
Registered Member
It's an interesting photo. There's a heated debate on cjdby forum. Some suggested it's a Photoshoped photo. Whereas most seem to believe two hangers should never be considered for a destroyer of this size (6k+ ton) as that might increase the centre of gravity somehow, which in turn would compromise the stability.

But, one thing nobody with that thought has answered so far despite been asked a few times on that forum already is that how a hollow structure such as a hanger can cause the increase of centre of gravity when originally missiles and all the launching mechanisms were in its place.

I personally think it's another "religious" believe that tends to go around military enthusiasts. Well, one can always argue most navies don't value stability as much as PLAN does right now as not every navy is a "blue-water" navy. Then, how about the old Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate of the US Navy. It's the same size as PLAN's Type-054A (4k ton) and it has always had two hangers.
Those people where you heard it from are absolutely silly and has very short memories.


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Given this development, I find it likely if the two Type 052B that is being upgraded now (if they aren't sold to someone else) might get modified into two hangers, getting rid of the Shtil missile cache and launcher at the aft.

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Mark777c

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Those people where you heard it from are absolutely silly and has very short memories.


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Given this development, I find it likely if the two Type 052B that is being upgraded now (if they aren't sold to someone else) might get modified into two hangers, getting rid of the Shtil missile cache and launcher at the aft.

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Wait so the Type 52c destroyer has 2 hangers now ??? Im very confused can somebody clarify is that real or fake ?
 

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