Type 03/ QBZ-03 assault rifle


Ryz05

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As mentioned in the Type 95 thread, the Type 03 assault rifle appears to be in limited service with the People's Armed Police (PAP). Are there any more news about the Type 03 in service? Also, are there any information about a squad automatic weapon or carbine version of the rifle?

The PAP has been distancing itself from the PLA recently with the introduction of the new Type 05 digital uniform, as well as a new assault rifle, Type 03, with a conventional layout as opposed to the Type 95 with a bullpup layout. This could be an indication that the Chinese military leadership wants to make it clear that the PLA is a more professional force with defending the country its ultimate goal, while the PAP has more interests in protecting the local goverment at which they are stationed. In times of war when the PAP must work with the PLA, the use of a different gun and uniform could be a headache in friend or foe identification, besides creating a logistical problem. However, this could be remedied through experience or increased communication and better force coordination. Additionally, the increased difference in equipment between the PLA and PAP would not be such a problem if the PLA is to deploy outside the country, while the PAP remains inside.
 

challenge

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how's the accuracy of type-03?
during the battle for falluja, US army discover there's alot insurgency killed from head shot,lead to believe they may have been deliberate executed.but investigation discover all of them were killed in combat.the data reflect the accuracy of M-16 carbine.
according to AK-47 story, US army discover bullet tend to wobble after coming out from the rifle bore,this has a effect over the accuracy at long range, so they use a supercomputer from sandia lab to redesign the rifle.
a lot of countries now use supercomputer to design there rifle.during the discovery channel, Israel new bullpup rifle able to hit 3 inches by 3 inches target at 500 meter away.
 

hallo84

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how's the accuracy of type-03?
during the battle for falluja, US army discover there's alot insurgency killed from head shot,lead to believe they may have been deliberate executed.but investigation discover all of them were killed in combat.the data reflect the accuracy of M-16 carbine.
according to AK-47 story, US army discover bullet tend to wobble after coming out from the rifle bore,this has a effect over the accuracy at long range, so they use a supercomputer from sandia lab to redesign the rifle.
a lot of countries now use supercomputer to design there rifle.during the discovery channel, Israel new bullpup rifle able to hit 3 inches by 3 inches target at 500 meter away.
You mean 500 feet?

I find it hard to believe that the Trevor can deliver such performance.
 

Ryz05

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Since the Type 03 is developed from the
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, its maximum effective range should be around 400m.

I've heard the story about the extreme accuracy of the M16 so as to cause a war crime investigation in Iraq , because so many insurgents were shot in the head, but this is only possible when the soldiers have mounted scopes. The scopes can increase combat effectiveness tremendously by making the soldier a sharpshooter.

Since the effective range of the
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is said to be 800m, it shouldn't be surprising that a 3x3 inch target can be hit from a distance of 500m, provided that the shooter has a scope of course. It would be much harder without scopes to hit at such ranges.

Rifles can be designed by today's PC, so there's no need for something like a supercomputer to do the job. Supercomputers nowadays are more used for testing something like theoretical physics.
 

challenge

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is there standard measurement for accuracy?
I heard report that Soviet standard auto-snipping rifle( forgot the name) use by some iraqi insurgent (seen in the TV) is not very good.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Since the effective range of the
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is said to be 800m, it shouldn't be surprising that a 3x3 inch target can be hit from a distance of 500m, provided that the shooter has a scope of course. It would be much harder without scopes to hit at such ranges.
Tavor's standered equipment is a Mars Red dot scope or Trijicog ACOG. both are widely exported and considered by many army's as the standard to set by

One The head shots also are impotent because of the lack of damage done to the human body by the 5.56mm Nato standard issued to American forces the only way to insure an enemy hit by the Round stays down is to do damage to the central nervus system that means the head and in particular the brain stem other wise the bullets produce what have been called "Ice pick holes" that is a clean entry and exit that does little in the way of killing.

The dragunov and a number of clones there in are not actually true sniper weapons they are intended as designated marksmen rifles making up for the short range of the AK.

Some thing to look in to for the Chinese PLA is the posibility of fitting both the the T-03 with red dot and magnified power sights like they already have the T-95.
 

PrOeLiTeZ

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is there standard measurement for accuracy?
I heard report that Soviet standard auto-snipping rifle( forgot the name) use by some iraqi insurgent (seen in the TV) is not very good.
probably metioning the svd its standard sight is the pso model, the svd is quite accurate ranges under 800m, and it fires the large 7.62x54 round so it should delivery enough energy to kill armour targets....the naming of svd of not being a sniper is judged through western anaylsis, eastern analysis its still considered a sniper....sniper means differently to other nations
 

Pointblank

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probably metioning the svd its standard sight is the pso model, the svd is quite accurate ranges under 800m, and it fires the large 7.62x54 round so it should delivery enough energy to kill armour targets....the naming of svd of not being a sniper is judged through western anaylsis, eastern analysis its still considered a sniper....sniper means differently to other nations
The SVD's accuracy is extremely poor at long ranges. The SVD is not a true sniper rifle in any terms, but it performs exceptionally well for what it was designed for, a weapon to extend the range of the average rifle squad, under a designated marksman. The SVD will accomplish around 2 MOA which is extremely poor for a sniper rifle, while many other sniper rifles can accomplish at least .50 MOA or better.
 

sumdud

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This could be an indication that the Chinese military leadership wants to make it clear that the PLA is a more professional force with defending the country its ultimate goal, while the PAP has more interests in protecting the local goverment at which they are stationed.
Uh, I don't know the difference between PAP and PLA troops, but being a bullpup does NOT make the Type 95 a better gun than the Type 03. Although limited, there are situations in CQB (Which PAP would naturally face a lot more) where left hand operation is necessary. You can never safely shoot a Type 95 rifle left handed. (Too bad the P-90 only shoots 5.7/28s..... a Tokarev version would be nice in these situations.)

If you didn't read what I wrote in the other thread, then I'll tell you here that: I don't trust that the Type 03 can take punishment. The gun's upper/lower receiver would allow for modular adaptations if needed, but this leaves the crack in the gun's side so I doubt it can run over by a vehicle and still shoot. (You can do this w/ AKs, but not M-16s)

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The effective range of the Tavor at 800m most likely is for area shooting, where the bullet will still kill but is not accurate enough for point targets. M-16s have longer barrels and their accuracy starts to go out around 550m...
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Well, the gun isn't the only accuracy factor, there's the bullet also. And for a semi-auto, the SVD isn't that bad (not saying it's good) either, as the other semi-auto, PSG-1 (Don't know M21), has a MOA of about 1, not exactly .50. :D
 

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