Type 022 Missile Boat


blindsight

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My point is, as Tam mentioned, it has no SATCOM and can't talk to UAVs either. That makes them almost useless. If this can be solved and the YJ-83 is replaced by other AShM with longer range, such as the YJ-12. They can still help dominate SCS, quite helpful actually.
This concept can evolve further. Just make the boats unmanned and even cheaper. They can be nightmares for the West.
 

Gloire_bb

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My point is, as Tam mentioned, it has no SATCOM and can't talk to UAVs either. That makes them almost useless. If this can be solved and the YJ-83 is replaced by other AShM with longer range, such as the YJ-12. They can still help dominate SCS, quite helpful actually.
How the replacement of shorter-ranged cruise missiles with 3 times heavier longer-ranged one helps you with targeting and data links?
If anything, it actually makes the situation worse, because dead zone of YJ-12s is likely to be several times larger than that of YJ-83s.
 

blindsight

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How the replacement of shorter-ranged cruise missiles with 3 times heavier longer-ranged one helps you with targeting and data links?
If anything, it actually makes the situation worse, because dead zone of YJ-12s is likely to be several times larger than that of YJ-83s.
That's why it needs a SATCOM.
 

Andy1974

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1. Persistence, in general, is determined by (1)autonomy and (2)seaworthiness (incl. maximum sea state when weapon usage is permitted).
022 is a really small boat in the end, with a small crew, little internal volume(hull form doesn't help), and a lot of single-purpose armament weight for its class.

2. Sensor suite of 022 is fairly basic, point in using it for patrol duties far from bases is honestly lost to me. There isn't much they can detect that maritime militia can't.

3. Light, high-performance diesel engines (almost mandatory for such applications) often have relatively low service life. Simple training for such usage will gradually wear down the ships. Aluminum hull is a major suspect here, too.

4. Continued presence exposes vessels to the possibility of attack (and substantially complicates their defense by third assets). 022s on their own are vulnerable to literally anything. And if you deploy other persistent assets to cover them - point in insisting on having 022s at sea is honestly lost.

5. They can indeed be operated from SCS island base, another type of a forward base, or simply from a tender(preferably in some sort of calm water). This is still the same thing, however - they are not on their own, and can return at will. But their capability in hostile littoral appears to be very secondary to me.
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All in all - they're better left to what they were originally designed to do.
My point is, as Tam mentioned, it has no SATCOM and can't talk to UAVs either. That makes them almost useless. If this can be solved and the YJ-83 is replaced by other AShM with longer range, such as the YJ-12. They can still help dominate SCS, quite helpful actually.
Perhaps they can use the new satellite internet constellations China is launching, terminals should be cheap.
 

Tam

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More importantly, it's SAR.

I wonder and suspect, if you used SAR on a stealth fighter on a tarmac it would show up as well.


It definitely would. To create an image like this, the satellite should have traveled a distance to create a synthetic radar antenna several kilometers long. The image is created as the satellite enters Point A in orbit and finishes the image when the satellite leaves Point B in its orbit.

I don't know what USNI is trying to prove but its stupid.
 

Bltizo

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It definitely would. To create an image like this, the satellite should have traveled a distance to create a synthetic radar antenna several kilometers long. The image is created as the satellite enters Point A in orbit and finishes the image when the satellite leaves Point B in its orbit.

I don't know what USNI is trying to prove but its stupid.

I think HI Sutton was just trying to generate clicks.
In the article itself, later one, he basically outright acknowledges that this "test" itself is not really reflective of the kind of RCS mitigation that Type 22 is intended for, and has more or less indicated so on Twitter when I pointed it out in a rely to him.
 

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