Total numbers of Chinese landing ship fleet?

5unrise

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Would the enemy care about China's equivalent? Why would the PLAN not build something equivalent to the LCU 1700 especially when it has the means? It's not a DDG costing hundreds of millions.
There's probably pros and cons of designing a LCU to maximise its carrying capacity. The bigger the LCU is, the less can fit inside an amphibious assault ship, and this means fewer targets for any defenders on the beaches - hopefully after they have been softened up by artillery and missile strike. What I am really saying is that: putting a larger number of vehicles and troops into fewer LCUs is not inherently advantageous. Having a greater number of smaller crafts, with fewer forces in each, can disperse enemy fire and cover a greater amount of landing area, and this increases the probability of the defenders maming a mistake.
 

Blitzo

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Would the enemy care about China's equivalent? Why would the PLAN not build something equivalent to the LCU 1700 especially when it has the means? It's not a DDG costing hundreds of millions.

Because a larger LCU like LCU1700 is too big to allow maximal carriage inside the welldeck of 075 and 071, and the PLAN doesn't need a separate larger LCU like LCU1700 because it already has other ships for that weight class and role.

The new PLAN LCU is small enough to allow side by side carriage, as we can see:
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In terms of dimensions, it means they can fit two of the new LCU in the space of one LCAC. So for a 071 or 075, it means you can carry twice the number of LCUs as you can for LCACs. E.g. for 071 that means up to eight of the new PLAN LCU.

That is similar to the French EDA-S where they can fit two EDA-S in the space of one EDA-R (which is similar to a LCAC in size) in a LPD or LHD:
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The USN's MSV-L is similar, as it is designed to replace the legacy LCMs they have in the same footprint, which can fit two alongside in a welldeck of a LHD or LPD:
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Compare that to the LCU1610 family (which is similar in size to the new LCU1700 that is replacing it).... note that it is too big for you to fit two LCU 1610/1700 sized ships in the space of one LCAC:

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.... For larger conventional landing craft, they have something different to the LCU1700 family -- they have the Type 271III LCT family, which is a bit larger, able to carry two or three MBTs in a covered environment, and is not designed for carriage within a 071 or 075's well deck (because it doesn't need to be).

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... so to go back to your question -- "why doesn't the PLAN build an equivalent to LCU 1700 class?"

The answer is: the PLAN doesn't need an equivalent to LCU 1700 because it already has landing craft of other sizes that fills the role, and because this new LCU is deliberately designed to be more compact to allow maximal efficient carriage inside a welldeck which a larger LCU like LCU1700 cannot do.


My counter question to you is: "why do you think the PLAN should build an equivalent to LCU 1700 class to begin with"?
Because you seem to be thinking that simply having a larger payload is better -- but you don't realize that the LCU1700 is a bigger ship than something like the MSV-L, EDA-S and the new PLAN LCU, and it means that they won't be able to efficiently fit them inside the welldeck of a 071 or 075, meaning you will end up wasting welldeck space.

In that case, why is a LCU 1700 class ship necessary?
After all the PLAN already has LCTs like the Type 271III which is similar in size and optimized for regional shore to shore missions (i.e.: not intended to be used for welldecks).
 
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caohailiang

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In terms of dimensions, it means they can fit two of the new LCU in the space of one LCAC. So for a 071 or 075, it means you can carry twice the number of LCUs as you can for LCACs. E.g. for 071 that means up to eight of the new PLAN LCU.
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do you think PLA will use this new LCU to cross the strait on its own?

the obvious benefit is it will be difficult to target (or even not worth targeting?) for ROCN AShM because it is such a small vessel

on the other hand, load them into 071 will make it a perfect target, and frankly i dont see why, afterall it is only a 80nm strait
 

caohailiang

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do you think PLA will use this new LCU to cross the strait on its own?

the obvious benefit is it will be difficult to target (or even not worth targeting?) for ROCN AShM because it is such a small vessel

on the other hand, load them into 071 will make it a perfect target, and frankly i dont see why, afterall it is only a 80nm strait
just to add that 271III is 800tons - with troops fully loaded, it seems to be a juicy target for ashm,
while this new lcu at some 200ton, not so much
 

lcloo

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A note of interest.

Type 271III landing craft actually belonged to PLA Ground Force.

PLA Ground force have many ships and boats under its command. Ships/boats with 2 alphabets followed by numericals are under PLA ground force's command. Ships/boats under army command are painted in blue color, in contrast to light bluish grey of PLA Navy.

The first alphabet indicate PLAGF command region, second alphabet indicate the type of ship/boats. Example, ND561 in above photo is under command of Nanjing region (N), and is a landing craft (D - Deng lu).
 
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