TL-30 Anti-Radiation munition


reservior dogs

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Don't know if it belong here, but here is a discussion on TL-30 anti-radiation munition. It can be launched from the air (TL-30A) ground (TL-30B) and ships (TL-30C). 270 kg, 3.7 meters long, has both Satellite and inertial guidance. max speed Mache 0.65, max range 280 km, max loitering time 50 minutes. Even if the enemy ID the munition, they won't be turn on their Radar for 50 minutes while the missile is in the air. Relatively low cost to produce. I don't know if other militaries has an analog to this. Seems a novel concept and very effective in suppressing enemy radars.

 

BoraTas

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Don't know if it belong here, but here is a discussion on TL-30 anti-radiation munition. It can be launched from the air (TL-30A) ground (TL-30B) and ships (TL-30C). 270 kg, 3.7 meters long, has both Satellite and inertial guidance. max speed Mache 0.65, max range 280 km, max loitering time 50 minutes. Even if the enemy ID the munition, they won't be turn on their Radar for 50 minutes while the missile is in the air. Relatively low cost to produce. I don't know if other militaries has an analog to this. Seems a novel concept and very effective in suppressing enemy radars.

The US had a similar concept back in 1989.
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It was canceled after numerous cost overruns and never returned back.

Israeli Harop loitering munition can do a similar thing too.
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reservior dogs

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The US had a similar concept back in 1989.
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It was canceled after numerous cost overruns and never returned back.

Israeli Harop loitering munition can do a similar thing too.
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Interesting. Not much info on the U.S. version. It did say low subsonic speed. The Israeli version has longer loitering time (9 hours), longer range (1000 km), but lower top speed (417 kmh versus 800 kmh for the Chinese version).

Since the Chinese version came later, I will assume that the Chinese are aware of the two previous efforts and made trade-offs to have a more effective weapon.
 

BoraTas

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Interesting. Not much info on the U.S. version. It did say low subsonic speed. The Israeli version has longer loitering time (9 hours), longer range (1000 km), but lower top speed (417 kmh versus 800 kmh for the Chinese version).

Since the Chinese version came later, I will assume that the Chinese are aware of the two previous efforts and made trade-offs to have a more effective weapon.
It seems Harop can only achieve even 417 km/h during the final dive. Its loiter speed is around 110 km/h. For TL-30 it is written that it can loiter for 50 mins and has a range of 280 km/h. This translates to ~340 km/h loiter speed. An even more interesting thing is, it seems China had bought an older variant of Harop
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Phead128

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Here is an English translation of TL-30 video.

Appears to loiter for 50 minutes to wait until enemy radar turns on, then initiates dive to eliminate target. It's like a cross between a cruise missile and an unmanned drone. This will be helpful over Taiwanese skies to neutralize radar.


@2:57 mark, I'm not sure if I heard the guy correctly, but is TL-30 an export version of the LD-10? Sounds weird, LD-10 doesn't sound like a loitering antiradiation missile...
 

reservior dogs

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Here is an English translation of TL-30 video.

Appears to loiter for 50 minutes to wait until enemy radar turns on, then initiates dive to eliminate target. It's like a cross between a cruise missile and an unmanned drone. This will be helpful over Taiwanese skies to neutralize radar.


@2:57 mark, I'm not sure if I heard the guy correctly, but is TL-30 an export version of the LD-10? Sounds weird, LD-10 doesn't sound like a loitering antiradiation missile...
I don't believe TL-30 is the export version of LD-10. LD-10 does not have the wingspan to be a loitering missile. So the version deployed by the Chinese military has even longer loitering time which are not specified.
 

Phead128

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I don't believe TL-30 is the export version of LD-10. LD-10 does not have the wingspan to be a loitering missile. So the version deployed by the Chinese military has even longer loitering time which are not specified.
Yes I agree. The domestic Chinese version must have a significantly longer range and significant longer loitering time.... maybe hours!! :eek:The TL-30 is the export version, with range limited to 280 kilometers and loitering time 50 minutes. What if during this 50 minutes, no radar is turned on, so it has no target to acquire? Does it return to base for re-use or a predetermine target?
 

reservior dogs

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Yes I agree. The domestic Chinese version must have a significantly longer range and significant longer loitering time.... maybe hours!! :eek:The TL-30 is the export version, with range limited to 280 kilometers and loitering time 50 minutes. What if during this 50 minutes, no radar is turned on, so it has no target to acquire? Does it return to base for re-use or a predetermine target?
I don't see why it can't be programmed to return to base. It should try to do no harm if no target is found. I can easily see some parachute tucked behind the warhead to open up and land on the ground after it get back to a designated area. The same controller chip can also disable the warhead so it won't explode easily on slight impact. It is not that difficult a task and the Chinese probably had these subsystems for other weapons they can just use after slight alterations.
 

Volpler11

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I don't see why it can't be programmed to return to base. It should try to do no harm if no target is found. I can easily see some parachute tucked behind the warhead to open up and land on the ground after it get back to a designated area. The same controller chip can also disable the warhead so it won't explode easily on slight impact. It is not that difficult a task and the Chinese probably had these subsystems for other weapons they can just use after slight alterations.
Well it would add additional weight and complexity of parachute , have to make engine reuseable, waste a bunch of fuel returning to base, and additional weight to strengthen the structure to make sure it can survive landing. Plus it need to be able to be field inspected and refuelled or have to return to factory.
 

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