The Navy of Brazil


F40Racer

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The Brazilian navy is in an elite club. Currently there are only two countries with large carriers (USA and Russia), and two countries with medium carriers (France, Brazil). The rest of the blue water navies have light carriers. The Type-22 and Niteroi-class frigates are not the most modern, but they are still very capable ships.

Lets discuss the equipments and capabilities of Brazil's navy here.
 
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planeman

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The San Paulo carrier is grossly under-defended and the fleet lacks any credible area-air defence capability. To put that into context here's something I made earlier. San Paulo is at the bottom middle (Click to enlarge)


The following analysis is slightly out of date because I hadn't confirmed the Mistral SAMs refitted on the San Paulo but that doesn't change the wider picture very much.
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TerraN_EmpirE

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not too mention it's Aircraft the A4Ku and TA4KU skyhawks are a very very dated attack aircraft and not suited too the multi role missions needed in a modern Carrier force. Brazilians Should be buying super Hornets or Rafale's for there navy along with there long awaited Next Air force Fighter, as these are the airframes most suited too the Launch and operation of the Sao Paulo (Foch)
 

planeman

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Probably for $$$. But it's be cheaper to fit a skijump to the ship, and reduce maintenance/training/crew etc etc.

If Brazil cannot afford that level of upgrade then they can't afford a carrier full stop.

Is Brazil still a partner in PAK-FA?
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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The Problem with Using Mig29's off the Deck of the Sao Paulo is that the Take off on the Sao Paulo is CATBAR Catapult launched Arrested recovery where as the Mig is built for STOBAR Short Take off Arrested Recovery. Like Plane man Said the only way too make the Paulo a skijump or refit the mig too take the Cat.
Building the Jump would be easer the Stresses on the Cat would Rip the Front wheel off the Mig. although Cheaper too use the Costs and benefits I feel Favor The Rafale Or F/A18's they are Already Catbar ready Can Take off at a more rapid pace with larger weapon loads and last I read the Rafale and Hornet were in the Latest FX-2 running.

@ Plane man Last I Read Brazil was out. The Commander of the Brazilian Air Force, Juniti Saito, justified:
"I do not want to blacken the image of Sukhoi, but the project did not fit into our necessities".
 

montyp165

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The Problem with Using Mig29's off the Deck of the Sao Paulo is that the Take off on the Sao Paulo is CATBAR Catapult launched Arrested recovery where as the Mig is built for STOBAR Short Take off Arrested Recovery. Like Plane man Said the only way too make the Paulo a skijump or refit the mig too take the Cat.
Building the Jump would be easer the Stresses on the Cat would Rip the Front wheel off the Mig. although Cheaper too use the Costs and benefits I feel Favor The Rafale Or F/A18's they are Already Catbar ready Can Take off at a more rapid pace with larger weapon loads and last I read the Rafale and Hornet were in the Latest FX-2 running.

@ Plane man Last I Read Brazil was out. The Commander of the Brazilian Air Force, Juniti Saito, justified:
The Mig-29's basic design should be sufficient to handle Cat launches if so optimized, as it was also intended to take off from dirt runways.
 

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