russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms?


kroko

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T-platform, maker of the lomonosov supercomputer,

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has been blacklisted by the US because it developed products for military and nuclear research (the lomonosov supercomputer itself?). the translation is not very good, but i guess from the article that t-platform can no longer use US tech, and will have to close shop because all chip factories have US componentes/tech.

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Does this mean that chinese supercomputers cant research those áreas or they will be blacklisted too? Or the chinese supercomputers use completly indigenous componentes and arent vulnerable to such action?
 

delft

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Re: russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms

I understand that until a short while ago all Chinese super computers used US cpu's, and several of them US gpu's, while the connecting chips have been these last few years superior Chinese products. China is likely to be able switch fully to their own chips soon and will no doubt be happy to sell to the Russians.

At the second try Google translated the Russian website and that said T-platform supplied a supercomputer in the State University of New York in October 2012, defeating Dell and HP. This looks like protectionism. China uses its supercomputers to design nuclear weapons and warships and J-20 and J-31, but doesn't test the adherence to free trade by the US by selling super computers in that country. They know hypocrisy when they see it.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Re: russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms

Supercomputers are going to be like 5-axis machine tools. The US didn't want China to get any so China ended up making their own and has killed sales for US companies that make them because the Chinese ones are cheaper.
 

In4ser

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Re: russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms

China has own supercomputer the Dawning 6000 and more recent KD-90 using completely indigenious compenents, particularly the Loongson series of computer chips. However they're about 1/2 a generation behind ARM, AMD and Intel and not as probably commercially feasible for desktops because the run on MIP64 instruction instead of x86, making it incompatible with Windows or OSX . Which is probably why China is opting for recently announced Ubuntu Kylin (Linux is MIPs compatible) for its new OS replacing Kylin and Red Flag.
 
Re: russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms

China has own supercomputer the Dawning 6000 and more recent KD-90 using completely indigenious compenents, particularly the Loongson series of computer chips. However they're about 1/2 a generation behind ARM, AMD and Intel and not as probably commercially feasible for desktops because the run on MIP64 instruction instead of x86, making it incompatible with Windows or OSX . Which is probably why China is opting for recently announced Ubuntu Kylin (Linux is MIPs compatible) for its new OS replacing Kylin and Red Flag.
But Chinese MIP64 CPU has hardware x86 emulation which is said only has 15-20% overhead, very efficient to run x86 instructions/softwares
 

luhai

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Re: russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms

China has own supercomputer the Dawning 6000 and more recent KD-90 using completely indigenious compenents, particularly the Loongson series of computer chips. However they're about 1/2 a generation behind ARM, AMD and Intel and not as probably commercially feasible for desktops because the run on MIP64 instruction instead of x86, making it incompatible with Windows or OSX . Which is probably why China is opting for recently announced Ubuntu Kylin (Linux is MIPs compatible) for its new OS replacing Kylin and Red Flag.
Forget windows and os x. the future is mobile. However, I'm not banking on loogson. It's a fiasco of government subsidies. The future of Chinese semiconductors is the likes of Allwinner, Amlogic, rockchips, and Spreadtrum with the support of SMIC behind them, young, small, agile and hungry.
 

kyanges

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Re: russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms

Forget windows and os x. the future is mobile. However, I'm not banking on loogson. It's a fiasco of government subsidies. The future of Chinese semiconductors is the likes of Allwinner, Amlogic, rockchips, and Spreadtrum with the support of SMIC behind them, young, small, agile and hungry.
Just a note, "Windows" and "OSX" as we know them, in desktops and laptops, is just the version of these OS's that people are familiar with.

The truth is, the core and foundation of Windows and OSX, (meaning the kernel, not the desktop interface with mouse pointer, folders, etc. that everyone is familiar with, which is just a layer over the foundation), are already in use in mobile devices, and have been for a long time already.

For all intents and purposes, phones and other similar mobile devices run Windows and OSX. My own phone for instance, is a Windows Phone, and the OS on it, Windows Phone 8, uses the same core software as the desktop computer that I'm typing this on, which is running Windows 8. The only difference is the applications they run, and a different interface.

But Microsoft's plan, and honestly, the plan of pretty much everyone else, Apple, Google, etc, is to allow people to run the same applications across all of their devices, from their phone, tablet, laptop, and desktop, with the UI intelligently adapting to the differences in screen real estate. Microsoft actually is getting the jump on that this year, with additional changes to the UI on Windows 8 to make it more consistent with Windows Phone.

You're entirely correct that the future is in mobile devices, but it's also a unified future. And I think that's an important and also very cool part. No more weaker, and intentionally less capable versions of software for mobile devices. :D .
 

In4ser

Junior Member
Re: russian supercomputer firm blacklisted by the USA. consequences for chinese firms

Forget windows and os x. the future is mobile. However, I'm not banking on loogson. It's a fiasco of government subsidies. The future of Chinese semiconductors is the likes of Allwinner, Amlogic, rockchips, and Spreadtrum with the support of SMIC behind them, young, small, agile and hungry.
I haven't heard of the other up and coming companies, I'll check them out. However, I do have to disagree as I believe desktops are here to stay because tablets and smartphones which have limited functionality in office environment can completely replace them. With that said, I agree the consumer market is trending towards smaller more ergonomic systems like tablets and smartphones.

Just a note, "Windows" and "OSX" as we know them, in desktops and laptops, is just the version of these OS's that people are familiar with.

The truth is, the core and foundation of Windows and OSX, (meaning the kernel, not the desktop interface with mouse pointer, folders, etc. that everyone is familiar with, which is just a layer over the foundation), are already in use in mobile devices, and have been for a long time already.

For all intents and purposes, phones and other similar mobile devices run Windows and OSX. My own phone for instance, is a Windows Phone, and the OS on it, Windows Phone 8, uses the same core software as the desktop computer that I'm typing this on, which is running Windows 8. The only difference is the applications they run, and a different interface.

But Microsoft's plan, and honestly, the plan of pretty much everyone else, Apple, Google, etc, is to allow people to run the same applications across all of their devices, from their phone, tablet, laptop, and desktop, with the UI intelligently adapting to the differences in screen real estate. Microsoft actually is getting the jump on that this year, with additional changes to the UI on Windows 8 to make it more consistent with Windows Phone.

You're entirely correct that the future is in mobile devices, but it's also a unified future. And I think that's an important and also very cool part. No more weaker, and intentionally less capable versions of software for mobile devices. :D .
I understand it is a necessary evolution of the Windows OS and that there must be growing pains particularly, legacy software compatibility and a lackluster App Store, but I am still nonetheless frustrated with switching in and out of Desktop and Metro. It will be interesting to see how Microsoft approaches in endeavor to integrate mobile and PC, without alienated some of its customers who find the productivity of the Desktop UI far superior to the Metro UI. Do you think they will completely eliminate Desktop altogether?
 

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