Russia, Ukraine to sell Slava Class Cruiser


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Kommersant - Russia's Daily Online said:
Russia and Ukraine will sell a missile cruiser constructed in time of the former Soviet Union, Interfax-Ukraine reported.

Construction of Admiral Lobov cruiser of Project 1164 was launched in 1984 at Nikolaev shipyard but stalled at the final stage (the 90-percent readiness) in late 1980s due to the sharp reduction in military costs.

The cruiser was renamed to Ukraina after 1992. The government of Ukraine first intended to complete construction to have the cruiser in its own Navy but thought better afterwards.

Today’s plans are that Russia and Ukraine will jointly complete construction, as most of the cruiser’s equipment is produced in Russia, and look for a foreign buyer – India or China most probably.

Ukraina’s full displacement is 11,500 tons, its length is 186.4 meters, the beam is 20.8 meters, the draft – 8.4 meters. It has the sailing rate of 32 knots and cruising endurance of 7,400 miles. The cruisers of Project 1164 are armed with Bazalt or Vulkan heavy missiles. Russia has three similar cruisers in the fleet.

The Slava class cruisers are very powerful surface combatants, both in anti-surface and in anti-air warfare. It will be very interesting to see who bids on this vessel. My guess is that Russia and the Ukraine would not go to the expense of completing her without a seller already in hand.


 
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Interesting, another capable warship to sail the seas.

I wonder what changes they might make to the original design. I somehow don't think it will come with the original weapons suit. Mainly the SS-N-12 might be outdated. The SS-N-19 seems to be partially similar to it, but wich potential buyer has it?
This is perhaps the main reason why I think they might already have a customer at hand. Maybe it will be outfitted for sunburn or YJ-62 if China will get it.
Or the BraMhos if it goes to India. Similar, (though perhaps not that imminant) with the SAMs.
But if it goes to China, I don't really think it may stop after one vessel. Perhaps with India, too.
 

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Interesting, another capable warship to sail the seas.

I wonder what changes they might make to the original design. I somehow don't think it will come with the original weapons suit. Mainly the SS-N-12 might be outdated. The SS-N-19 seems to be partially similar to it, but wich potential buyer has it?
This is perhaps the main reason why I think they might already have a customer at hand. Maybe it will be outfitted for sunburn or YJ-62 if China will get it.
Or the BraMhos if it goes to India. Similar, (though perhaps not that imminant) with the SAMs.
But if it goes to China, I don't really think it may stop after one vessel. Perhaps with India, too.
Well, the Russians have three other units, two operational (though not highly) and one in reduced manning which is, interestingly enough, named the Varyag. If the PLAN gets the one from Ukraine/Russia, I could see the Chinese perhaps acquiring one more from the Russians as well.
 

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... If the PLAN gets the one from Ukraine/Russia, I could see the Chinese perhaps acquiring one more from the Russians as well.
Makes sense. I could imagine them to then reverse engeneer it to make their own yards build cruisers as well. Besides, I believe they might want to cange the weapons suite to chinese systems anyway.
At least at that point they will have all types of vessels to make up a real CSG.

Of course India is not out of the game. They don't have cruisers either, and with that military/technology cooperation contracts signed lately while Putin was in India ...

It an exciting guessing game.
 

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Makes sense. I could imagine them to then reverse engeneer it to make their own yards build cruisers as well. Besides, I believe they might want to cange the weapons suite to chinese systems anyway.
At least at that point they will have all types of vessels to make up a real CSG.

Of course India is not out of the game. They don't have cruisers either, and with that military/technology cooperation contracts signed lately while Putin was in India ...

It an exciting guessing game.
Yes it is exciting...und auch, sehr interessant und wichtig.

The Indians could equally well end up with two of these vessels if it goes their way. Either Navy (PLAN or INS) would be significantly enhanced with a pair of such vessels. The Slava class vessels displaces over 11,000 tons and carry a lot of weapons (or have the room for a lot of weapons if the Chinese or Indians fit their own).
 

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I'm glad that there is now a separate tread about Slava CG! I first mentioned this offer in post #78 1 Week Ago, but since I edited and older posting noone has caught it and/or bothered to reply to it. Certainly it sounds like a bargain for either India or China! IMO PLAN will get that ship since the IN already bought
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I'm glad that there is now a separate tread about Slava CG! I first mentioned this offer in post #78 1 Week Ago, but since I edited and older posting noone has caught it and/or bothered to reply to it. Certainly it sounds like a bargain for either India or China! IMO PLAN will get that ship since the IN already bought
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I tend to agree...but we shall see. Either nation would benefit from it, particularly in conjunction with AAW defense of their carriers, or as a heavy hitter for any SAG.

Knowing how the Russians are outfitting it weapon wise would give us a huge hint (of course) as to who it is intended for. Perhaps as time goes on that info will become available.
 

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I personally think the only way that PLAN will buy for this ship is that if it's not outrageously expensive. Which means that it has to be less than the $700 million that they paid for each improved Sov, what a waste of money that was. Another thing is that Ukraine would have to allow China to install its own Control system, sensors, ECM/ESM and missile. I'm thinking mainly of putting 16 YJ-62 on it. I personally think that IN wouldn't be able to afford something like this after Project 17 and the rfp they sent out for 7 Project 17A (which carries an outrageous per unit price). Who else would be interested? I really don't know. I think unless they sell it at some bargain price, it's not going to be sold.
 

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Current estimated value of the ship in 2004 as is was about $500 million dollars:
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well, the listed price for Sov was supposed to be $425 million, but they still paid $700 million for it last time. I think at this point, Chinese shipbuilding industry is at a stage that they don't need to get ship designing ideas from the Russians and their own combat system, sensors and missiles are also good enough that they don't need Russian or Ukrainian ones.
 

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