Rumoured Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion


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Not all VTOLs are created equal.

Harriers were one way to do it, with the nozzles, then you had projects like the Yak-38 or Mirage IIIV which used smaller lift jets which were "simpler" but took more fuel and you ended up hauling dead weight on horizontal flight, then the F-35B which uses a shaft connected to the main engine to power said "lift fan", which still is dead weight when not in use, and so on.
Yes I'm aware of that, I'm aware the difference between barriers and yak and F35.

With the exception of F35, the VTOL concept shouldn't present problems for Chinese engineers now 50 years on!
 

Arienai

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VTOL engines are probably more complicated and more expensive to maintain. The buyers will be feeling stupid if not right now.
...But those buyers can't build CATOBAR carriers anyway? F35B gives them the ability to covert their LHD/LHA or heli carriers into small carriers, or they could just make a WWII style straight deck carrier and throw F35B on it then call it a day (≖_≖ ) They'll be happy to join the carrier club which they couldn't without F35B (I know harriers exist but they're just in a different league compare to actual fighter jets), why would they feel stupid?

China is different because they already have carrier borne jets and EMALS ready (or will be ready when 076 is out). If they want their LHDs to have the ability to operate fix wing aircrafts, adding EMALS on there is obviously much more cost effective than developing a STOVL jet from scratch (which most likely the only buyer for this jet is themselves).

They all chose the most cost effective method for them ╮( •́ω•̀ )╭ and none should feel stupid.
 

Sczepan

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Maybe China is behind in engine, but not 50 years behind! For crying out loud, VTOL tech is 50 years old!
China has an Harrier GR5 in a military aircraft museum, …
chinese D'Long companie also owned parts of "Dornier Werke", which build the famous
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in 1968

General characteristics
  • Crew: 2
  • Capacity: 36 fully-equipped troops / 24 stretchers / 3,000–5,000 kg (6,600–11,000 lb) payload
  • Length: 20.88 m (68 ft 6 in)
  • Wingspan: 18.06 m (59 ft 3 in)
  • Height: 8.53 m (28 ft 0 in)
  • Wing area: 57 m2 (610 sq ft)
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    ; tip:
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  • Empty weight: 49,500 kg (109,129 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 60,500 kg (133,380 lb)
  • Fuel capacity: 8,000 l (2,100 US gal; 1,800 imp gal) in five integral wing tanks
  • Powerplant: 2 ×
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    , 69 kN (15,500 lbf) thrust each in underwing pods
  • Powerplant: 8 ×
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    turbojet engines, 20 kN (4,400 lbf) thrust each vertically mounted in wing-tip pods
Performance
  • Maximum speed: 730 km/h (450 mph, 390 kn)
  • Cruise speed: 650 km/h (400 mph, 350 kn) at 6,000 m (20,000 ft)
  • Range: 1,800 km (1,100 mi, 970 nmi) with maximum payload
  • Service ceiling: 10,700 m (35,100 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 26.667 m/s (5,249.4 ft/min) all engines
19.2 m/s (3,780 ft/min) Pegasus engines only
could be an interesting plane to support (esp. ski jump) carriers with Transport, AEW ….
 
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chinese D'Long companie also owned parts of "Dornier Werke", which build the famous
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in 1968 [...] could be an interesting plane to support (esp. ski jump) carriers with Transport, AEW …
And where the Dornier Do 31 was developed, this aircraft is now being tested:


Incidentally, the company is based in the old Dornier administration building.

But the first flights with passengers without a pilot on board were in China:

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China is leading in autonomous flight.
 

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