This is a satellite photo of the improved 094, and below it is HSH diagram.
So one side is investing billions to build & deploy these 094s while on the other side, we have cheap talks.An article by Christian Conroy in the National Interest says the 094 SSBNs are too noisy to avoid US (and Japanese?) detection systems. If so, then can 094s truly provide "creditable" at-sea nuclear deterrence?
Uh...the point the man was making is the result of the US investing probably hundreds of billions in its submarine warfare capabilities and force.So one side is investing billions to build & deploy these 094s while on the other side, we have cheap talks.
I don't doubt US spends billions on their sub capabilities & they have overall lead over China in nuke subs, that's not what I referred to when I said 'cheap talks'.Uh...the point the man was making is the result of the US investing probably hundreds of billions in its submarine warfare capabilities and force.
So, I would not call it, "cheap talk."
Fact is, the US has 14 SSBNs that are far quieter and more capable than the 3-4 SSBNs China has at this point. The US also has a force of 53 nuclear attack submarines, all of which are quieter and more capable than the 8 or so the PLAN has at this point.
Actually, that is the whole matter.I was referring to the article implying USN can easily & with certainty neutralize the 094s which would then imply PLAN are idiots to invest billions in them. Anyone who call PLAN, or any other major navies for that matter, idiots, I'll call them idiots or making cheap talks.
Ultimately, only a war or something close to one can determine who's right. But from public knowledge so far, the 094s will likely have high degree of effectiveness at what they're designed to do ie give China a retaliatory nuke strike.
Whether they need to go out into the middle of the Pacific or somewhere nearer to home to achieve this is another matter.
You always invest in newer stuffs, if you have the money, especially PLA so building 096 hardly lends credence to what the admiral is saying................
The only way the Chinese will overcome this is to:
1) Design longer range missiles to shoot from their subs so they can make their bastion the China Sea, or as Chuck suggested, some large inlet off of it where they can threaten the entire US.
2) Design better subs that are quiet enough to give them the chance of evading the US technological lead and get to the blue water.
Clearly, the PLAN understands this. They are not serial building the Type 094s...they are already building the Type 096 subs in an effort to do that very thing, which lends credence to what the admiral is saying.
No. it's not. The Chinese know it themselves.You always invest in newer stuffs, if you have the money, especially PLA so building 096 hardly lends credence to what the admiral is saying.
How do you know they're not or have not serial build the 094 ? They build several & operating them, you don't need many SSBN anyway. Indications are PLAN are satisfied with 094 & JL2.
If they can't, then it's time to admit you need to invest more so that you can or make the calculation it's ok to give up huge chunks of your population. And even the talk that USN can somehow get 094s out in the Pacific with ease is just talk for now.
No, it's simply the truth. The US is advancing its submarine capabilities constantly and steadily.Saying we're happy because we're still more advanced even if the gap is not large enough for you to prevent the opponent from doing their job is to fall into the trap of tech infatuation.
That's a very convienent excuse when you are behind in tech...but it does not change the truth of the matter.The 2 main reasons armed forces do this is not wanting to admit your opponents have made significant progress due to ego and to play mind game to undermine the other side.
I obviously agree 094 is a credible nuke deterrence that can strike US soil, which is what PLA needs it to be. That's all my point.093 and 094 are extremely noisy subs. Whether or not we want to believe it, that's why the US intelligence community, the world's submariner community have been saying for years now.
I think what Jeff is saying is that while 094 is noisy, it's still a credible nuclear deterrence as long as it operates from an sea water protected by PLAN and can strike American soil. I agree with that. It's not the optimal solution like US with Ohio class, but it's legitimate nuclear threat from an operational boomer with operational ICBM, whereas 092 was certainly not this way.
Well, Schumacher, with the logic you are using here, that's all you are likely going to see.China clearly doesn't know it, otherwise they wouldn't invest billions in multiple 094s.
Showing US has Ohio since 81, or Elvis is gone etc, is different from showing that they can neutralize 094. To do that, you need to, well, show that they can neutralize 094.
Current USN assets are sunk costs. If 094s pose a new challenge to USN which cannot be easily met without new investments which are not readily available. The admiral is just being smart to downplay it publicly as a mind game or to comfort the folks back home.
So far, all I see is more talks.