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Iron Man

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Actually, even the sole superpower have justified its feelings and demands actions on such things.
Oh, there is no doubt the US is a hypocrite on many things; this is not a point anyone is arguing.

China has been consistent in demanding US to stop survalillence in her EEZ. She didn't say she will not do so unilaterally. Quite consistent I'd say.
LOL what? It's one thing to say that strong countries will do what they like regardless of what they say, it's another thing entirely to act hypocritically and then claim that you are NOT acting hypocritically. Being consistent in demanding that someone stop what they are doing but continuing to do the same thing yourself is the very definition of hypocrisy and inconsistency. How in the world is this "quite consistent"??? ROFLMAO

Look, I'm not saying that large countries won't do whatever they want to do and say whatever they want to say, whether their words and deeds are consistent or not. This should already be established as fact, a fact that is as old as civilizations have been around. What I'm talking about is the feelings of people on forums like this one, where people are so easily butthurt that China's "sovereignty" is being "violated" by US spy ships and spy planes on a routine basis, typically based on some kind of moralistic or legalistic justification. If these same people don't have a problem with China "violating" some other country's "sovereignty", then why are they whining so hard about the US? No need to whine and act the hypocrite. Get stronger and then do something about it; until then STFU, because no one cares what a hypocrite says. That is all.
 

Yvrch

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Oh, there is no doubt the US is a hypocrite on many things; this is not a point anyone is arguing.


LOL what? It's one thing to say that strong countries will do what they like regardless of what they say, it's another thing entirely to act hypocritically and then claim that you are NOT acting hypocritically. Being consistent in demanding that someone stop what they are doing but continuing to do the same thing yourself is the very definition of hypocrisy and inconsistency. How in the world is this "quite consistent"??? ROFLMAO

Look, I'm not saying that large countries won't do whatever they want to do and say whatever they want to say, whether their words and deeds are consistent or not. This should already be established as fact, a fact that is as old as civilizations have been around. What I'm talking about is the feelings of people on forums like this one, where people are so easily butthurt that China's "sovereignty" is being "violated" by US spy ships and spy planes on a routine basis, typically based on some kind of moralistic or legalistic justification. If these same people don't have a problem with China "violating" some other country's "sovereignty", then why are they whining so hard about the US? No need to whine and act the hypocrite. Get stronger and then do something about it; until then STFU, because no one cares what a hypocrite says. That is all.

Oh, there is no doubt the US is a hypocrite on many things; this is not a point anyone is arguing.

Good, at least one thing is unequivocally acknowledged LoL.

China has been consistent in demanding US to stop survalillence in her EEZ. She didn't say she will not do so unilaterally. Quite consistent I'd say.
LOL what? It's one thing to say that strong countries will do what they like regardless of what they say, it's another thing entirely to act hypocritically and then claim that you are NOT acting hypocritically. Being consistent in demanding that someone stop what they are doing but continuing to do the same thing yourself is the very definition of hypocrisy and inconsistency. How in the world is this "quite consistent"??? ROFLMAO

LoL you are falling all over your own words without paying much attention to what I clearly said in what I said.
Consistent here is as in compatible or in agreement with something.
So you tell me if the following 3 sentences are not compatible or in conflict with each other.
1)China has been consistent in demanding US to stop survalillence in her EEZ.
2)She didn't say she will not do so unilaterally.
3)Quite consistent I'd say.

China's demand on US is bilateral, she is not proselytizing this position all over the world, at least not yet. So China is doing it herself while US is doing it to the maximum possible extent within the circumstances is not in conflict of 1) given 2). It is logical and consistent and coherent.
Where TF did you pull out hypocrisy and inconsistency ? Where you cannot see? ROFLMAO

Look, I'm not saying that large countries won't do whatever they want to do and say whatever they want to say, whether their words and deeds are consistent or not. This should already be established as fact, a fact that is as old as civilizations have been around. What I'm talking about is the feelings of people on forums like this one, where people are so easily butthurt that China's "sovereignty" is being "violated" by US spy ships and spy planes on a routine basis, typically based on some kind of moralistic or legalistic justification. If these same people don't have a problem with China "violating" some other country's "sovereignty", then why are they whining so hard about the US? No need to whine and act the hypocrite. Get stronger and then do something about it; until then STFU, because no one cares what a hypocrite says. That is all.

US doesn't shut TFU FFS, so who do you think you are to ask people to STFU LoL.
If you don't like it, I'd suggest you should STFU for all I care LoL

It could have been much juicier, as I lost the first one I was trying to post LoL
 

Iron Man

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LoL you are falling all over your own words without paying much attention to what I clearly said in what I said.
Consistent here is as in compatible or in agreement with something.
So you tell me if the following 3 sentences are not compatible or not in conflict to each other.
1)China has been consistent in demanding US to stop survalillence in her EEZ.
2)She didn't say she will not do so unilaterally.
3)Quite consistent I'd say.

China's demand on US is bilateral, she is not proselytizing this position all over the world, at least not yet. So China is doing it herself while US is doing it to the maximum possible extent within the circumstances is not in conflict of 1) given 2). It is logical and consistent and coherent.
Where TF did you pull out hypocrisy and inconsistency ? Where you cannot see? ROFLMAO
Consistent as in "compatible" or "in agreement" with? LOL Nice try with the verbal judo here. It doesn't really matter even one little bit if China did or did not say whether China will or will not do the same thing. If it does what it says US should NOT do, then the hypocrisy is present. It doesn't matter if China said "US you stop this; but meanwhile I will keep doing the same thing you're doing" or if China said "US you stop this; but meanwhile I'm not going to say what I'm going to do". It doesn't matter. If it does do what it tells the US to stop doing, then it's a hypocrite. This isn't rocket science here. You try so hard to call the US a hypocrite but try so hard to deny the same label on China, for doing the same thing. Fanboi much? LOL

It could have been much juicier, as I lost the first one I was trying to post LoL
Actually, I think you should make it as juicy as you wanted to originally. Go ahead. It will be fun. For you. :)
 

Yvrch

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Consistent as in "compatible" or "in agreement" with? LOL Nice try with the verbal judo here. It doesn't really matter even one little bit if China did or did not say whether China will or will not do the same thing. If it does what it says US should NOT do, then the hypocrisy is present. It doesn't matter if China said "US you stop this; but meanwhile I will keep doing the same thing you're doing" or if China said "US you stop this; but meanwhile I'm not going to say what I'm going to do". It doesn't matter. If it does do what it tells the US to stop doing, then it's a hypocrite. You try so hard to call the US a hypocrite but try so hard to deny the same label on China, for doing the same thing. Fanboi much? LOL

The fact remains you cannot refute all three points.

Hypocrisy? only a simpleton would find solace in that label given the glaring lack of logical comeback LoL

Actually, I think you should make it as juicy as you wanted to originally. Go ahead. It will be fun. For you. :)

LoL butthurt?
 

Iron Man

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The fact remains you cannot refute all three points.

Hypocrisy? only a simpleton would find solace in that label given the glaring lack of logical comeback LoL
Fact is, you are trying to claim non-hypocrisy by ONLY taking into account what China says, not what China does. So in your universe if a country says words that are not directly hypocritical but commits acts that ARE hypocritical, then it's somehow not in fact hypocritical. I'm sure someone like Sean Spicer would just absolutely LOVE your universe. LOL

LoL butthurt?
Why would I be butthurt at this moment? You have not even unleashed your "juiciness" yet. So go right ahead :)
 

Yvrch

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Fact is, you are trying to claim non-hypocrisy by ONLY taking into account what China says, not what China does. So in your universe if a country says words that are not directly hypocritical but commits acts that ARE hypocritical, then it's somehow not in fact hypocritical. I'm sure someone like Sean Spicer would just absolutely LOVE your universe. LOL


Why would I be butthurt at this moment? You have not even unleashed your "juiciness" yet. So go right ahead :)

As I suspect, you can't make a logical conclusion on your own given the facts.

1) and 2) do not in any way conflict with what China does. What China does is logical given 1) and 2).

Yeah I also would like to know what a simpleton's world look like, or rather feel like.
I don't even see the need for easy labels like hypocrisy at all, but a simpleton would at the first sight of a complex problem he couldn't think it through LoL.

Why would I be butthurt at this moment? You have not even unleashed your "juiciness" yet. So go right ahead :)

That's so same sex all over it. Sorry I'm not into that kind of stuff. LoL
 

Iron Man

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As I suspect, you can't make a logical conclusion on your own given the facts.

1) and 2) do not in any way conflict with what China does. What China does is logical given 1) and 2).

Yeah I also would like to know what a simpleton's world look like, or rather feel like.
I don't even see the need for easy labels like hypocrisy at all, but a simpleton would at the first sight of a complex problem he couldn't think it through LoL.
If China puts its sensors into some other country's EEZ without permission but tells the US to stop putting its sensors into China's EEZ without permission, it is sheer and utter hypocrisy no matter what statements it does or does not make or how many times you front like 1) and 2) are your magnum opus of pseudointellectual arguments. LOL
 

Insignius

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If the US invades other countries based on lies and gets either militarily, politically and morally supported by China's adjacent nations, it is utter hypocrisy for them to tell China to not place sensors in their EEZs.

Sorry, but this Original Sin committed by the US more than a decade ago and supported by all who call themselves members of the Western World, or members of the Western Alliance, will forever destroy whatever moral high ground they will ever attempt to claim for themselves in their disputes with a nation, such as China (and Russia) who did not support that outrageous and gross violation of sovereignity.

China and Russia are morally justified in doing anything, including the invasion of another country based on fabricated evidence of WMD possession, just as the West did.
This is just how things work. Once you rape international law and national sovereignty in the name of democracy while justifying it with utter lies, you simply lose your moral high ground to tell other people to respect said international law.
 

Yvrch

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If China puts sensor arrays into some other country's EEZ without permission but tells the US to stop putting its sensors into China's EEZ without permission, it is sheer and utter hypocrisy no matter how much ignorance you plead or how many times you front like 1) and 2) are your magnum opus of pseudointellectual arguments. LOL

There is no extra added benefits for China to refrain from such acts while US and her allies have maximum possible freedom to act such. So it is absolutely logical for China to do the same thing against US to add more costs and pressure for the US for such acts whereas in the past there was no costs for US. At the same time, telling US that China doesn't agree to US surveillance in her EEZ costs almost nothing while sending the main message across up the chain of command, so why wouldn't she say that? That's no brainer. But getting the agreement is a different matter of course.

But to be fair, I can allow simpleton's need for hypocrisy or some such simple emotional labels here. It might be that saying it a few thousand times would somehow relieve the emotional pain of living in a simpleton's universe where complex things are linear and black and white binary LoL.


Wow that's rich, I didn't even think of that, but it's so appropriate. Given that your first thought ran to that side of the road, I guess we know which team you're playing for. :D

Maybe your inner self is trying to reach out to you? Sorry I have to nip it in the bud with your overtones LoL.
 
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