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Newer Russian ships dispensed with the old MR123 with a new fire control radar that looks like a phase array called Puma.
Type 344 and 347 fire control radars were derived from European techs, possibly Thompson or Selex, and they both resemble European naval fire control radars like the ubiquitous Thales STIR. They were introduced with the Type 052 in its original form, so these fire control systems predate the second Russian coming of arms technologies.
The first two Sovremennies came years later and the PLAN is in the perfect position to pick the best and choice technologies possible from a pallet of both European and Russian techs. It was clear they were impressed with several technologies introduced by the Sovremenny. From this ship, they copied the Fregat MAE search radar, the Mineral ME OTH active passive radar and datalink system, the Shtil missile system and target illuminator, the AK-130 gun and the AK-630 CIWS. The AK-176 gun was also introduced to the PLAN by other means and that too was copied.
But what they choose not to copy and adopt were the MR123 Bass Tilt and MR184 Kite Screech fire control radars for the guns. Instead the PLAN continued to use both earlier Type 344 and 347 fire control radars. Is this a hidden testament that the Russian FCRs did not meet PLAN'S satisfaction?
IMO, PLAN won't bother copying the AK-630 if it was bad. But the fact they omitted the Bass Tilt FCR in favor of the Type 347G or 349 FCR to mate with the AK-630 and H/PJ-13 is to my mind, is rather telling. Bear in mind that the 730/1130 both still use the older 347G FCR with the rice hat cone, but it is the PLAN service AK-630 and H/PJ-13 that is working with the newer Type 349 radar set that has a flattened cone, which could be a more advanced set over the 347G.
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LSTs are not large ships. They're only up to 5000 tons and are actually really inexpensive.
The Teluk Bintuni LSTs built by Indonesia are roughly comparable to the Type-072 LSTs, so the Type-072 LST might only cost $13 Million.
Also remember that most of the time, LSTs will be transporting trucks and supplies. I'd be surprised if this sort of cargo would be worth more than $3 Million in total.
Yes, SHORAD systems are comparatively cheap, but even a HQ-10 would be comparable to a TOR system ($25 Million) which is a land-based Kashtan CIWS/SHORAD. So such an air defence system would be significantly more expensive than the LST plus its typical cargo.
And I would expect the area where LSTs are operating to be flooded with air defence destroyers and frigates, whose job would be to provide air defence.
We had a short discussion on LSTs/LPDs/LHDs in the post below.
PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency
Amphibious vehicles like the ZBD-05 can't cross the entire strait on their own can they? I see wikipedia listing a 500km range but idk if that's on land or what. If they actually can that would negate a huge need for ships. The range of the ZBD-05 at sea must not exceed 60 km. The AAV which is...
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A little correction. Land based Kashtan CIWS is Pantsir SAM, not Tor.
Tor is already land based, its sea based version is called Kinzhal aka SA-N-9 Gauntlet.
Is there any translation for this interesting chart
What I know Red is China, Blue is US
What I know Red is China, Blue is US
093B is launched recently.
Ah, the dune school of naval combat "Slow missile penetrates the CIWS"
Left side (Blue coloured-figures, USA):
Title: US Navy Shipbuilding Plan (for the next) 30 Years
Left to Right:
Fiscal Year
Support Ships
Combat Logistic Force (Ships)
Amphibious Assault Ships
Ballistic Missile Submarines
Attack Submarines
Small Surface Combatants (Here I think Frigates and LCSs)
Large Surface Combatants (Here I think Destroyers and Cruisers)
Aircraft Carriers
Total (Number of Ships for) the USA
Right side (Red-coloured figures, China):
Title: Chinese (PLA) Navy Shipbuilding Plan (for the next) 30 Years
Left to Right:
Total (Number of Ships for) China
Aircraft Carriers
Destroyers
Frigates and Minesweepers
Attack Submarines
Strategic Submarines (Here I think Ballistic Missile Submarines)
Amphibious Assault Ships
Supply Ships
Support Ships
Year
My attempt at translation may not be completely accurate. Feel free to point out any mistakes in the translation.
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Lots of Frigates on Chinese side, meaning a strong green-water navy. The blue water elements growing in size in time while the US Navy stays mostly on blue water power projection.