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by78

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I don't need an advice from a non-miderator.

We have higher standards here, and sensationalist Fu Manchu Yellow Peril articles full of war talk simply don't meet them, especially if they are from an illustrious rag such as the CNN. Admittedly, the authors of your CNN article at least went through the trouble of providing a veneer of respectability by incorporating a few blurbs from experts and some thin numbers, but I stopped paying much attention when they began handwringing and whinging over the number of PLAN ships exceeding that of the US Navy. I mean, this is some really amateur hour stuff, the sort of 'research' a high school newspaper might cobble together in a day or two. The fact that you thought it highly enough to share it here tells me you need advice and need it badly.

Again, SDF isn't a fanboy website. Members here are free to give advice, to correct each other, to critique, and to give opinions. If your ego can't stand it, then that's definitely your problem, not mine. If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

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fatfreddy

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We have higher standards here, and sensationalist Fu Manchu Yellow Peril articles full of war talk simply don't meet them, especially if they are from an illustrious rag such as the CNN. Admittedly, the authors of your CNN article at least went through the trouble of providing a veneer of respectability by incorporating a few blurbs from experts and some thin numbers, but I stopped paying much attention when they began handwringing and whinging over the number of PLAN ships exceeding that of the US Navy. I mean, this is some really amateur hour stuff, the sort of 'research' a high school newspaper might cobble together in a day or two. The fact that you thought it highly enough to share it here tells me you need advice and need it badly.

Again, SDF isn't a fanboy website. Members here are free to give advice, to correct each other, to critique, and to give opinions. If your ego can't stand it, then that's definitely your problem, not mine. If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

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yeah this is even lower than already low CNN standards. Now we have "experts" saying US need to catch up or keep pace with the PLAN. Rather hilarious when they spend more than anyone else combined
 

silentlurker

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That's in ur judgement; the article elaborates on possible strategies
Please show us where, because to me it looks like all you've done is link to an article which just restates a bunch of known facts about the Chinese Navy, which might be useful to some average American but is of no value to people on this forum.
 

Tsavo Lion

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The corvette force is ideal for tighter, shallower ocean environments, like China's key areas of concern, the
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; around Taiwan; and the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the East China Sea, controlled by Tokyo but claimed by Beijing.
The ships the PLAN puts to sea near Chinese shores are protected by a large ground-based missile force.
The missiles "problematize US power projection and prevent overwhelming naval and air power from striking the Chinese mainland," said Kaushal. "However, this also has the effect of facilitating power projection against local nations, as these nations are far more vulnerable when the maritime links that enable the US to support them are severed."
For instance, if the US Navy was unable to operate in the South China Sea because of the Chinese missile threat, it would have a hard time protecting the Philippines, with which Washington has a mutual defense treaty.
US military leaders are also cognizant that in 2021 the PLA Navy is much more than ships.
"Take a look at what China's really investing in," US Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday said this week in
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. "Yes, they are putting more ships in the water, but they're investing heavily in anti-ship missiles as well as satellite systems to be able to target ships."
All that gives China a strong hand to play in any possible conflict close to home. And China is adamant its military is defensive.
"The development of China's national defense aims to meet its rightful security needs and contribute to the growth of the world's peaceful forces," said the country's 2019 defense white paper, titled "China's National Defense in the New Era."
"China will never threaten any other country or seek any sphere of influence."
So why is the PLA Navy building aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships and large, powerful destroyers and cruisers suitable for operation far from China?
Near seas defense vs far seas protection
Protecting the Chinese mainland and its territorial claims around the region are what Beijing calls "near seas defense."
China's massive naval buildup coincides with it reinforcing its claims to almost all of the 3.3 million square-kilometer (1.3 million square-mile) South China Sea by building up tiny reefs and sandbars into man-made artificial islands heavily fortified with missiles, runways and weapons systems.
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"Islands and reefs in South China Sea have unique advantages in safeguarding national sovereignty and maintaining a military presence in the open sea," read a December 2020
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a Beijing-based magazine published by the China State Shipbuilding Corporation, which supplies the PLA Navy.
But they can't stand alone, the magazine noted. In the events of hostilities, outposts in the southern reaches of the waterway could require reinforcements from near China's southern coast, more than a day's sailing away, it said.
o bring Chinese military power to bear on its global interests, they said, China has begun implementing "far seas protection."..
"Far seas protection reflects Beijing's direction for the PLAN to 'go global,' ... part of a larger Chinese government policy to encourage the expansion of China's economy and cultural outreach," Rice and Robb wrote.
Part of the play is perception. For decades now, nothing has quite projected military power as the image of a US Navy aircraft carrier in waters far from home. It's something China craves, analysts say.
"Some Chinese military analysts suggest it is imperative for the PLA to safeguard China's overseas interests and note that sending out the PLAN is essential to establishing China's image as a great power," Rice and Robb wrote.
Dozens of corvettes can't do that. So China has ramped up its production of ships that form an aircraft carrier task force, like guided-missile cruisers and nuclear-powered submarines, which have much longer endurance than the diesel-electrics that comprise most of the PLAN fleet.
The PLA Navy has two aircraft carriers in service, but their endurance without refueling is limited to less than week, according to the China Power project. That makes them more suitable for use in places like the South China Sea rather than in far oceans.
But more carriers are in planning and production. The newest planned Chinese carrier is expected to be equipped with a nuclear power reactor and electromagnetic catapults that will enable it to launch aircraft with more firepower and greater range than the existing carriers.
Rice and Robb point out that two Chinese defense white papers, from 2015 and 2019, say long-range naval forces are necessary to help with international peacekeeping, disaster relief and naval diplomacy -- in other words, flying China's flag overseas. ..
Citing Chinese publications, they add, "One source urges naval forces to 'control key strategic channels' far from China. Another source advocates employing strategic 'fist' forces formed around aircraft carriers. ... Another wartime mission is to strike important nodes and high-value targets in the enemy's strategic depth to 'ease pressure on the near-seas battlefield.'"..
"In something like the form of a reverse-Dunkirk, we should expect that instead of only dealing with dozens of gray-painted PLA Navy amphibious vessels and their escorts, we would likely see a Taiwan Strait flooded with many hundreds of fishing boats, merchant ships, and Coast Guard and Maritime Safety Administration vessels."
 

gelgoog

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Bah. So what if China has more ships. The US has larger total tonnage of ships. China's fleet is vastly improved from what it was a couple of decades back for sure but this just sounds like propaganda to get more money for the MIC. Just to get parity in terms of destroyers alone would take like two decades. The article also talks about carriers but it only counts US supercarriers and ignores the smaller carriers the US Marines have. Not that the Chinese seem to be interested in having parity with the US Navy, just to have enough ships to secure their own interests.

So why is the PLA Navy building aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships and large, powerful destroyers and cruisers suitable for operation far from China?

I guess these people never read any official Chinese statements. They've made it quite clear that reunification of Taiwan with the mainland is an imperative and that they need to protect the sealanes where their merchant marine travels.

Japan and South Korea also have large destroyers and some aircraft carriers. Their numbers put together in those classes are not that dissimilar to China at the moment. So is it surprising that China feels the need to have a similar number of these ships?
 
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AndrewS

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So why is the PLA Navy building aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships and large, powerful destroyers and cruisers suitable for operation far from China?

Historically the world's largest trading nation ends up building the world's largest navy to protect its global trade.

And China's overseas trade is still showing significant growth.
 
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windsclouds2030

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Historically the world's largest trading nation ends up building the world's largest navy to protect its global trade.

And China's overseas trade is still showing significant growth.
And that notion is still quite true in present days.

Ever since the fleets commanded by Admiral Zheng He in the first half of the 15th century during the Ming Dynasty, the Middle Kingdom has never had a strong naval force again. This deficiency has been causing very serious problem to the nation, until present days.

Sinologist Kerry Brown of King’s College, London, identifies three major problems faced by China in its current rise. One of them is clearly related to the naval power.

1. Throughout modern history, there’s no Western appreciation of China as a strong and powerful nation, and its restored historical importance. Western mindsets are not ready to deal with it.

2. The modern West never really thought of China as a global power; at best as a land power. China was never seen as a naval power, or capable of exercising power way beyond its borders.

A major power with large economy and trading interests like China needs a strong naval power to safeguard its sea transport lanes and investments overseas (the BRI comes in mind).

No strong naval force, can't be a true power! No power, can't gain true respect!

A good clue is just to learn about the world's history of the last several centuries, every major power was and has been built upon strong naval force.
 
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