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Tam

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I couldn't disagree more. I think China should help Russia build docks that can fix the Kuznetsov. Also, China should seek to sell/transfer the Shandong and the Liaoning back to Russia. What Russia has problem with is not money, but the facilities. Because those facilities are in Ukraine.
The facilities in the Ukraine are not that big either and besides, its way down in the Black Sea while the Kuznetsov is in the Barents Sea. Even if those facilities are in Russian hands, the carrier has to go around Europe, down the Atlantic, through the Med, past Turkey and into the Black Sea. Bad geography.

What the Russians have is a mobile dock that is big enough for the Kuz. Unfortunately, the dock sank because of accident but it has been floated up again. Its like that dock that Jiangnan recently completed to move blocks of 003. Maybe Russia needs more docks like that.

Electronics are highly classified, and China (or anyone else) does not transfer a ship to someone else first unless all the classified electronics are stripped, although you can leave the cabling and the network infrastructure. The Russians are free to put their own radars, EW, communications and CIWS on. In such a hypothetical transfer, the two carriers are transferred to Russia by sending them to Vladivostok, which is only a short distance away from China, and home of Russia's Pacific Fleet. The ships can be refitted there, and can be stationed there permanently as flagships for the Pacific Fleet. Or during summer, make the transit up the Bering and into the Arctic Ocean and to the Barents Sea to be stationed in the Northern Fleet. KnAAPO, an important Sukhoi aircraft facility and manufacturer, is based in the Amur near Vladivostok, and it can manufacture and supply aircraft for the carriers.

Where Russia needs China's help is finishing the Nord Stream pipeline.
 

ansy1968

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The facilities in the Ukraine are not that big either and besides, its way down in the Black Sea while the Kuznetsov is in the Barents Sea. Even if those facilities are in Russian hands, the carrier has to go around Europe, down the Atlantic, through the Med, past Turkey and into the Black Sea. Bad geography.

What the Russians have is a mobile dock that is big enough for the Kuz. Unfortunately, the dock sank because of accident but it has been floated up again. Its like that dock that Jiangnan recently completed to move blocks of 003. Maybe Russia needs more docks like that.

Electronics are highly classified, and China (or anyone else) does not transfer a ship to someone else first unless all the classified electronics are stripped, although you can leave the cabling and the network infrastructure. The Russians are free to put their own radars, EW, communications and CIWS on. In such a hypothetical transfer, the two carriers are transferred to Russia by sending them to Vladivostok, which is only a short distance away from China, and home of Russia's Pacific Fleet. The ships can be refitted there, and can be stationed there permanently as flagships for the Pacific Fleet. Or during summer, make the transit up the Bering and into the Arctic Ocean and to the Barents Sea to be stationed in the Northern Fleet. KnAAPO, an important Sukhoi aircraft facility and manufacturer, is based in the Amur near Vladivostok, and it can manufacture and supply aircraft for the carriers.

Where Russia needs China's help is finishing the Nord Stream pipeline.
hi Tam

Regarding the Nord Stream pipeline, Even after the US sanction the european contractor ,Russia had the technology to the finish the project. Sorry from deviating on the topic.
 

banjex

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KnAAPO, an important Sukhoi aircraft facility and manufacturer, is based in the Amur near Vladivostok, and it can manufacture and supply aircraft for the carriers.
IIRC, Russia's navy is transitioning to Mig-29K for their carrier.
 

by78

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Mr. Zhu Kun, a missile expert, doing a presentation. Note the concentric canister launch system (CCL) in the image.

Summary of the text: Mr. Zhu overcame a 20-year (domestic) bottleneck and achieved a breakthrough where all other countries had failed. In accordance with strategic requirements, Mr. Zhu successfully developed a generation of missiles that are smaller yet more powerful than their counterparts. He's once in a generation talent...




 

Peter2018

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You do know that these numbers here are only the ships that is already in commission, right? If you take the ships that are still being built in China, you will see that China is on the verge of closing in on this so-called quad.
Remember that only the Pacific fleet was included in that diagram. The main adversary has way more than just the Pacific fleet.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Remember that only the Pacific fleet was included in that diagram. The main adversary has way more than just the Pacific fleet.
Well, since you are the "moar, moar and moar" guy. You don't really need to actually write a reply to let me know what you want to say. The moment I saw the notice, I knew what you're gonna say. hahahahahahaha
 

Austin Powers

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I couldn't disagree more. I think China should help Russia build docks that can fix the Kuznetsov. Also, China should seek to sell/transfer the Shandong and the Liaoning back to Russia. What Russia has problem with is not money, but the facilities. Because those facilities are in Ukraine.
Kerch shipyard has the biggest dry dock in former USSR. Zaliv shipyard. Russia does not lack dry dock after taking over Crimea from Ukraine.
 

Austin Powers

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Russia still needs one aircraft carrier, however smoky or inoperable it is, to show that it still has a surface fleet presence. It is a matter of national pride.
Russia can't even put that ship out to sea. What's the point having it? Letting it sit at a dock for the rest of its life doesn't help with national pride, it hurts national pride. Besides, Russia's new policy is not having big ships and avoiding attention, building exclusively corvettes and frigates. Having a carrier attracts attention, which is contrary to Russia's policy of not seeking attention. So Kuznetsov will be sold to China in a few years when it is due for decommissioning.
 

banjex

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Russia can't even put that ship out to sea. What's the point having it? Letting it sit at a dock for the rest of its life doesn't help with national pride, it hurts national pride. Besides, Russia's new policy is not having big ships and avoiding attention, building exclusively corvettes and frigates. Having a carrier attracts attention, which is contrary to Russia's policy of not seeking attention. So Kuznetsov will be sold to China in a few years when it is due for decommissioning.
Judging by Russia's actions since 2014, they most certainly do not have a policy of not seeking attention - where did you get that from? And the main reason they build small ships is because they can't afford large ones.
 
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