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PiSigma

"the engineer"
Are they trained in minor subjects/revised tactics or are they actually trained in PLA combat tactics? If the latter, what if one of them goes out and writes a handbook of PLA combat strategy for a Western country in exchange for a couple million USD? That is a level of trust that I am not comfortable with. When top militaries sell physical hardware that is incredibly hard to steal to allies, they still tend to dumb them down for national security reasons. The Chinese military trains droves of foreigners in information that can be directly used to counter the PLA should even one soldier be bribed for it?
See above. I replied to wrong person
 

taxiya

Colonel
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Are they trained in minor subjects/revised tactics or are they actually trained in PLA combat tactics? If the latter, what if one of them goes out and writes a handbook of PLA combat strategy for a Western country for a couple million USD? That is a level of trust that I am not comfortable with. When top militaries sell physical hardware that is incredibly hard to steal to allies, they tend to dumb them down for national security reasons.
There is no need to worry about "leaking handbook". You can not prevent change of politics, you have to make a careful choice and trust someone, but prepared for uncertainty.

The good (bad) example is Vietnam who turned very soon against China, but it is a RIGHT choice to train and finance them to push out the French and then the US in the 1950s and 1960s. Life changes, people changes too, one has to accept.

The training contains everything from battle tactics to strategy. From what I see the ranks of south Asian officers, their training must be serious, not fluffy.
 
OK, hold on now, cus we have 2 people telling me different things. @PiSigma is saying that the training is restricted to non-classified information and basic operating concepts, which is what my sense tells me. @taxiya is telling me that they are trained in serious stuff that would be very damaging to the PLA if they were turned bad but was done in order to prepare them for fights against mutual enemies. And you both of you seem to be insiders (or family to an insider). So... could you two get some sort of consensus? And is the information that you're telling me known to be definitely true (presented to you as fact by your trusted primary source), or is it what you indirectly suppose from the information you have?
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
OK, hold on now, cus we have 2 people telling me different things. @PiSigma is saying that the training is restricted to non-classified information and basic operating concepts, which is what my sense tells me. @taxiya is telling me that they are trained in serious stuff that would be very damaging to the PLA if they were turned bad but was done in order to prepare them for fights against mutual enemies. And you both of you seem to be insiders (or family to an insider). So... could you two get some sort of consensus? And is the information that you're telling me known to be definitely true (presented to you as fact by your trusted primary source), or is it what you indirectly suppose from the information you have?
Basic operation tactics are not classified.

My uncle taught math at the army artillery school, I think they made it into a air force logistics school now. Even less classified info.

I'm saying there is not much classified information in a school setting. Specialized training for officers often occurs on the job. A lot of the army schools teach math, science, engineering, maintenance etc. A cross between a university and technical college depending on field.
 

Marjohn

New Member
Registered Member
Are they trained in minor subjects/revised tactics or are they actually trained in PLA combat tactics? If the latter, what if one of them goes out and writes a handbook of PLA combat strategy for a Western country in exchange for a couple million USD? That is a level of trust that I am not comfortable with. When top militaries sell physical hardware that is incredibly hard to steal to allies, they still tend to dumb them down for national security reasons. The Chinese military trains droves of foreigners in information that can be directly used to counter the PLA should even one soldier be bribed for it?
Hey man, we speak about cadet training! I guess you don't know what it is, given your answer. Maybe you've never been in a navy either, or only as a tourist!
 
Hey man, we speak about cadet training! I guess you don't know what it is, given your answer. Maybe you've never been in a navy either, or only as a tourist!
Hey man, be literate. Read my post. I said they might get some toned-down version, basic stuff (as Pisigma said like navigation and sailing rules), to foster international relations. That's basically a small co-op and only considered a "cadet" in the sense that you're still a "student" at a university if they're there to study ESL for 1 semester on foreign exchange. Make no mistake, a dude who was accepted to Columbia to study ESL for 1 semester is not a real deal 4 year Columbia University grad who majored in the core curriculum. As I would suspect, teaching them real PLAN-developed combat tactics as they would a Chinese full cadet, does not happen for national security reasons (although I am open to opposing evidence). That's the main point, that the PLAN does not train foreigners to be equal to its own officers, not that they can never set foot in the PLAN naval academy for exchange programs.

I have never been in the navy; that has nothing to do with this discussion.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
So you don't know anything about international relations, and you can't understand the long-term interest of training other navies' personnel...I'm so sorry.
So you don't know anything about national security and can't understand the meaning of classified information. Give me the article that says these a naval cadets learning PLAN combat doctrine. Give me the source, because from what I know, they can be trained on the lesser aspects for the sake of international relations, but core PLAN combat doctrine is not taught to foreigners. The CDC in Atlanta can be accessed by foreigners by supervised appointment and possiby some lower jobs can be held by them but its core operations in regards to epidemiology with possible bio-warfare applications are only open to US citizens. Be sorry for yourself and your ignorance coming here talking like a stupid jack ass.
Actually, China has a long history of training foreign cadets in its military schools. My father has taught Chinese language classes of officers from south Asia in the 80s preparing them for military education in China. I had also seen south-east Asians wearing military uniform (without insignia) in my father's school when I was a child. I suspect them being Cambodians. A famous example is the current president of Zimbabwe, Emmerson Mnangagwa who received language training in Beijing, military training in Nanjing during the independent movement. He later became the defense chief under Mugabe.

These training has never stopped, they are to train for real combat. The height of these exchange was the 1960s to 1980s. The training is not limited to guerrilla warfare but also include regular warfare, one example is that the Tanzania armed forces nicknamed in China "East African PLA" who fought against Gardaffi and Uganda.
Guys these are most likely foreign Midshipmen (US Naval Academy terminology) or naval cadets in a foreign exchange program for a semester or two at the PLA service academy program. They will learn nothing but the basic naval command and leadership structure along with basic maritime skills. It is NOT until they graduated and get commissioned before they will be assigned to a specific skills training program for about 6 months to a year or more. Therefore these midshipmen either Chinese or foreign cadets will NOT know any sensitive PLAN naval doctrine or sensitive items.
 

Marjohn

New Member
Registered Member
Hey man, be literate. Read my post. I said they might get some toned-down version, basic stuff (as Pisigma said like navigation and sailing rules), to foster international relations. That's basically a small co-op and only considered a "cadet" in the sense that you're still a "student" at a university if they're there to study ESL for 1 semester on foreign exchange. Make no mistake, a dude who was accepted to Columbia to study ESL for 1 semester is not a real deal 4 year Columbia University grad who majored in the core curriculum. As I would suspect, teaching them real PLAN-developed combat tactics as they would a Chinese full cadet, does not happen for national security reasons (although I am open to opposing evidence). That's the main point, that the PLAN does not train foreigners to be equal to its own officers, not that they can never set foot in the PLAN naval academy for exchange programs.

I have never been in the navy; that has nothing to do with this discussion.
I say again. There is only basic stuff in a cadet training. And the begining of this "discussion" is about foreign cadets in a PLA training.
 
I say again. There is only basic stuff in a cadet training. And the begining of this "discussion" is about foreign cadets in a PLA training.
You say again?? LOLOL When was the first time you said it?

I'll
say it again; not all "cadets" are equally-trained, so don't be overly focused on the word only to lose sight of what's happening. Even the picture looks like they are graduating from an all-foreigners tailored course! My point, from the very first post to now, remains the same: the PLAN does not train foreigners to the same informational standards as it conveys to its own officers in order to preserve national security. Whether you want to be loose with the word "cadet" or argue that there are very low-ranking Chinese sailors who also won't be trained in critical information, or that these foreigners might be trained in the same introductory course but without advancement to specializations, is a matter of semantics that all leads to the same conclusion that they are not going to be given privileged information that can be used against the PLAN.
 

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