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Jura

General
Wednesday at 8:52 PM
Oct 31, 2018
and
U.S. Guided-Missile Destroyer, Oiler Transit Taiwan Strait https://news.usni.org/2018/11/28/39064
now
China expresses concerns over 2 US Navy warships in Taiwan Strait https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/11/29/china-expresses-concerns-over-2-us-navy-warships-in-taiwan-strait/
China said Thursday that it had expressed concerns to the U.S. over the passage of a pair of Navy warships through the Taiwan Strait, days ahead of a planned meeting between President Donald Trump and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told reporters that Taiwan was the “most important and sensitive issue” in relations between the sides.

"We have expressed our concerns to the U.S.," Geng said at a daily news briefing.

"The Taiwan issue has a bearing on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity. It is the most important and sensitive issue in China-U.S. ties," Geng said.

China's defense ministry also said it had closely followed the warships' passage.

Monday’s passage of the guided-missile destroyer Curtis Wilbur and guided-missile cruiser Antietam marked at least the third time this year that the Navy has sailed through the strait that separates Taiwan from mainland China.

The 160 kilometer (100 mile)-wide waterway is split down the middle between Taiwan and China, but there is no international law restricting civilian or military shipping from passing through it.

Tensions between the two militaries have been high over U.S. challenges to China’s claim to sovereignty over virtually the entire South China Sea. In late September, a Chinese destroyer came close to colliding with the destroyer Decatur in the South China Sea in what the U.S. Navy called an “unsafe and unprofessional maneuver.”

Despite that, contacts between the sides have endured and China gave permission last week for the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan to dock in Hong Kong.

Trump and Xi are due to meet in Argentina on Saturday amid tensions over Taiwan, the South China Sea and an increasingly bitter trade war between the sides.

China regards Taiwan as its own territory to be brought under its control by force if necessary. The sides split amid civil war in 1949 and most Taiwanese favor retaining their current de-facto status of political independence while maintaining close economic ties with China.
 

Jura

General
now I read (dated 2018-12-06)
PLA Navy to have at least 5 carriers: experts http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-12/06/content_9369401.htm
The People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy will operate at least five aircraft carriers in the near future, including the country's first two nuclear-powered ones that would likely be launched around 2025, Chinese military experts predicted on Wednesday.

The remarks came after online discussions on how many aircraft carriers China needs, which were sparked by a WeChat article from the Xinhua News Agency on November 25, which announced the construction of the nation's third aircraft carrier.

The PLA Navy will shift its focus from "offshore waters defense" to "offshore waters defense" with "open seas protection," and will enhance its capabilities for strategic deterrence and counterattacks, maritime maneuvers, joint operations at sea, comprehensive defense and support, according to China's Military Strategy released by the State Council's Information Office in 2015.

Song Zhongping, a military expert and TV commentator, said that China needs at least five aircraft carriers to fulfill the strategic shifts.

Wang Yunfei, a naval expert and retired PLA Navy officer, told the Global Times on Wednesday that China needs six aircraft carriers to ensure enough carriers are on active duty while the others are undergoing maintenance.

Meanwhile, China's Ministry of National Defense has not yet revealed a plan for future carriers.

Ministry spokesperson Ren Guoqiang said at a press conference in November that the development of China's aircraft carriers will be based on the country's overall plan.

The plan includes China's comprehensive national strength and shipbuilding capabilities, experts said.

The Liaoning and the Type 001A, which use a ski jump ramp to launch aircraft, will mainly remain in offshore waters near China, Song said. A third one, which will likely use an electromagnetic catapult, will go further into open seas and lay the foundation for the operations of two nuclear-powered carriers to protect China's global interests.

Wang echoed that China will develop two nuclear-powered carriers, but he said China's fourth carrier will remain conventionally powered, before making the fifth and sixth ones nuclear-powered.

Song expected China's first nuclear-powered carrier to be launched around 2022-24, while Wang predicted its launch ceremony in 2026.

The goal of having five to six aircraft carriers will be reached by 2030-35, experts said.
, recalled Jul 28, 2017
what would be the endgame in terms of the number of
  1. aircraft carriers
  2. Type 055 cruisers (please don't nitpick about the classification, possible later designation of a class with A or for example X or whatever)
  3. Type 052 destroyers
  4. Type 054 frigates
?

as in (LOL OK my guess):
  1. 6
  2. 24
  3. 24
  4. 36
sum = 90 major (4k+) surface combatants including aircraft carriers since it's
PLAN Catapult Development Thread, News, etc.
(at that point they wouldn't grow, but would be retiring older copies while replacing them with either newly built, or with ships which are currently unknown)
 

Tam

Captain
Registered Member
That looks like three 052D and one 055 on the dock. On the side of it might be modules for two more ships, one might be a 052D and the other, potentially, a 055.

Of the fitting and in trials ships, only one 052D remains, along with one 055. As previously observed, two 052Ds have left the nest to their respective fleets, one 055 has been moved to a dry dock somewhere not in this picture.
 

Bhurki

Junior Member
Registered Member
That looks like three 052D and one 055 on the dock. On the side of it might be modules for two more ships, one might be a 052D and the other, potentially, a 055.

Of the fitting and in trials ships, only one 052D remains, along with one 055. As previously observed, two 052Ds have left the nest to their respective fleets, one 055 has been moved to a dry dock somewhere not in this picture.
Around the end of next year, it'll again cause an inflection point where there would be a lot of large ships put into service together... By that point PLAN would likely have a total of 20 extremely capable destroyers.. Consisting only type 052d and type 055.. I know there's a case to be made for the other not so old destroyers of the PLAN, but these 052d and 055 will be first ships to be in service till the middle of this century..
 

asif iqbal

Brigadier
Looks fast

Next year we will see another frenzy where these units are launched in quick succession

We know the forward units can be “floated” or “rolled” back for next units at the front to be laid down

Very good work at DL
 

by78

Brigadier
According to CSIC's official Weibo account, a dedicated research institute has been established for 'electronic information and warfare' systems.

12月18日,中船重工电子信息与对抗体系建设会议在南京召开,中船重工电子信息与对抗研究院(简称八院)成立。 2017年初,中船重工启动723所、724所重组整合,全面构建电子信息与对抗一体化装备技术研发体系,进一步提升舰船行业电子信息体系化核心竞争力。
A rough translation, and feel free to correct me:
On December 18, CSIC's conference on the development of electronic information and warfare systems was held in Nanjing, and the Research Institute for Electronic Information and Warfare was established (abbreviated as No. 8 Institute). Previously, in early 2017, CSIC had merged institutes 723 and 724 to better integrate and streamline R&D into this area and to improve the competitiveness of shipborne electronic informations systems.
 
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