PLAAF Munitions II


ougoah

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I've thought about the possibility of H-20 having a secondary A2A role as well. The PLA may be intending to use H-20 as more than a mere stealth bomber -- one of the PLA affiliated media outlets directed stated in an article a year or two back that EW/ECM, data node, UAV control, ISR may be part of its role as well.
The weapons bay of H-20 would likely be enough to accommodate a respectable number of PL-Xs, and would be a very powerful A2A platform when acting in support of more conventional fighter forces.

But that obviously depends on how many H-20s end up getting bought as well as just how multirole H-20 may be.


In the interim, the carriage of PL-Xs aboard J-16 and maybe other flanker variants still represents a viable capability, and a new one that they did not have before.
I also feel the Mig-31, F-14 philosophy and the whole 3rd gen missile lobber idea is making a comeback. I am willing to bet the B-21 will have A2A abilities. Aircraft design have been able to combine several separate types already. There's already little obstacle for bombers to conduct A2A roles. In the past it was limited by missiles, seekers, guidance, and networking. None of these obstacles exist to the same degree today. Nor do they need aggressive performance if they are lobbing missiles from long ranges. Altitude and speed also help which is basically what these bombers are designed for as opposed to the terrain hugging controllability of certain attack aircrafts. Certainly in the interim, J-16 is the ideal and only fighter for this role in PLAAF.
 

Bltizo

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I also feel the Mig-31, F-14 philosophy and the whole 3rd gen missile lobber idea is making a comeback. I am willing to bet the B-21 will have A2A abilities. Aircraft design have been able to combine several separate types already. There's already little obstacle for bombers to conduct A2A roles. In the past it was limited by missiles, seekers, guidance, and networking. None of these obstacles exist to the same degree today. Nor do they need aggressive performance if they are lobbing missiles from long ranges. Altitude and speed also help which is basically what these bombers are designed for as opposed to the terrain hugging controllability of certain attack aircrafts. Certainly in the interim, J-16 is the ideal and only fighter for this role in PLAAF.
In the interim I think J-16 and other PLA Flankers could carry PL-X if they wanted to. Heck if the PLA really wanted to, they could even make H-6Ks carry them. The kill chain of PL-X is likely dependent on offboard sensors anyway.

In the immediate future I expect J-16s to be the main platform, possibly also other older Flankers (J-11B/S) as well. That said we haven't had much news regarding PL-Xs development since it made a splash two or three years ago.
 

Inst

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Do we have any updated information on the PL-10's actual aerodynamic range? Someone mentioned it resembled the French MICA missile, which is slightly heavier (+5 kg) and boasts a 80 km range. The short range air-defense version apparently has 50G maneuvering up to 7 km, then drops to 30G by 14km.

I remember having a source stating that the PL-10 actually had a range of 60 km, and this is quite believable if it's the actual aerodynamic range, with a 20 km NEZ (the stated operational range). This implies it'd have around 33G maneuvering at 40 km, which is quite credible.

The stated range for the competing Russian R-73/R-74 system is 40 km aerodynamic range, implying around 13-20 km of high G interception (50G).
 

Inst

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The short ranged air-defense version is referring to MICA, by the way. The big question rather is whether the PL-10 can hit 9G maneuvering targets at 30-40 km. If it can, it's a good missile.
 

Deino

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Me again with the request for help:

First I'm looking about information and second (if possible) some sort of diagrams concerning PLAAF AGM and AShMs mission profiles?

I'm actually looking especially for the KD-20, KD-63, YJ-83K and YJ-12 ... and as uch something comparable to the ones attached below.
Any help highly appreciated,

Best,
Deino

Russia Kh-15 mission profile 2.gifCM Mission profile.jpgBrahmos mission profile.pngBomber mission profiles - 1+.jpgTomahawk-mission Profiles.jpg
 

by78

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Me again with the request for help:

First I'm looking about information and second (if possible) some sort of diagrams concerning PLAAF AGM and AShMs mission profiles?

I'm actually looking especially for the KD-20, KD-63, YJ-83K and YJ-12 ... and as uch something comparable to the ones attached below.
Any help highly appreciated,

Best,
Deino

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. You will find many images of various brochures from Chinese weapons manufacturers. I haven't gone through all of them myself, so I can't say for sure if you will find what you're looking for. It's a lot of leg work without guaranteed reward, but it might still be worth a try.
 
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