H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

daifo

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They do fly them out occasionally for major sporting events all over the united states, including los angeles/pasadena where there would be a lot of mandarin speakers

Hi latenlazy,

OR Maybe just a video from a chinese tourist visiting the states.
 

Inst

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They do fly them out occasionally for major sporting events all over the united states, including los angeles/pasadena where there would be a lot of mandarin speakers
Can we identify the lampposts in the video? That might give a clue, i.e, are those lampposts used in China or lampposts used in the United States?
 

Deino

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I think there's no need to discuss this video as the real H-20 and from what I read at twitter it was a simple B-2-fly-by somewhere in the US.
 

Lethe

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Could you not post some random fanboy speculation from Youtube? Its insanely stupid to have a nuclear-capable bomber to be unmanned at this juncture. Humans need to be in the loop. No, they must be in the loop.

Even if nuclear weapons were not in the picture, an unmanned strategic or even theatre-level bomber is a silly idea. The payload/range benefits of going unmanned diminish as the total size of the aircraft increases because the weight and volume required to support a given number of pilots/crew is more or less constant regardless of the size of the aircraft. Additionally, the challenges of remote control/situational awareness that all unmanned platforms face are most acute in precisely the environment a bomber is intended to operate, i.e. far from friendly basing/forces and in at least medium and potentially even close proximity to hostile forces including EW/jamming capabilities.
 
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Xizor

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The bomber is going to be used as a tool to neuter the Air Defence systems of aggressor/ enemy countries. ( Okinawa, Guam,India,Japan,Vietnam etc). This also involves the requirement of a minimum of 3 crews to meet the mission. Maybe even 4, if the planform is more on the blended wing side of things rather than flying wing. I just hope that the Xian engineers keep it humble and simple.

Also, it the video posted, it looks more like a certain pak-da concept . (I might be even seeing winglets)
Certainly a high subsonic aircraft ( if it isn't doctored /CGI) and if it isn't B-2 (doesn't look like it).
 

asif iqbal

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where the heck is the H20?

Its July 2020 and still no sign

Other than naval F35 the H20 is also my next wait

JF17 Block 3 and J15 Batch 3 have passed

I hope they fly it before end of this year
 

Deino

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where the heck is the H20?

Its July 2020 and still no sign

Other than naval F35 the H20 is also my next wait

JF17 Block 3 and J15 Batch 3 have passed

I hope they fly it before end of this year


Honestly ... I don't expect this type to be seen before summer 2021.
 

Inst

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Did we do analysis on the Northrop B-21 pseudo-reveal vs the Chinese H-20 pseudo-reveal?


When it comes to the B-21, it's obvious that there's a shaped nosecone that might contain a large AESA radar. When it comes to the H-20, either the H-20 is significantly larger, or the AESA is missing. There's also the fact that the H-20 seems to be designed with a tall cockpit, perhaps with 360 degree vision, if you look at how the top of the H-20 is raised.

Why is that? Perhaps there's more room for bomb bays compared to the B-2 design, with the cockpit entirely above the bomb bay.

And yes, @Xsizor , while the H-20 is likely intended to present a cruise missile threat to the American West Coast, it'll be far more dangerous to immediately adjacent countries like India and Japan. Especially if ballistic missiles are used to take out air defenses, the H-20 can be used to present repeatable and relatively low-cost bombing of airfields and other high-value targets.
 

Xizor

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Did we do analysis on the Northrop B-21 pseudo-reveal vs the Chinese H-20 pseudo-reveal?


When it comes to the B-21, it's obvious that there's a shaped nosecone that might contain a large AESA radar. When it comes to the H-20, either the H-20 is significantly larger, or the AESA is missing. There's also the fact that the H-20 seems to be designed with a tall cockpit, perhaps with 360 degree vision, if you look at how the top of the H-20 is raised.

Why is that? Perhaps there's more room for bomb bays compared to the B-2 design, with the cockpit entirely above the bomb bay.

And yes, @Xsizor , while the H-20 is likely intended to present a cruise missile threat to the American West Coast, it'll be far more dangerous to immediately adjacent countries like India and Japan. Especially if ballistic missiles are used to take out air defenses, the H-20 can be used to present repeatable and relatively low-cost bombing of airfields and other high-value targets.
H-20 will certainly have an AESA radar with ground mapping capability. No doubts.
The cockpit may be raised but it won't be for ground attack but for facilitating better visibility for flight.
Also, Ballistic missiles are going to be lobbed, certainly BUT their intended role will be to reveal Air Defense system spheres rather than neuter them.

After getting an idea about radar sources at ground,
The H-20 will have to fly low ( inorder to stay out of the radar detection cone) and launch radar homing A2G weapons.

Atleast that's what I think H-20 will do. Not so different from USA's approach to war. In USA's case, SSN launched Tomahawks are used to take out / locate radar sources. B-2s swoop in soon after, followed by the F-22s and then the rest of the forces. It works.
 
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Inst

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H-20 will certainly have an AESA radar with ground mapping capability. No doubts.
The cockpit may be raised but it won't be for ground attack but for facilitating better visibility for flight.
Also, Ballistic missiles are going to be lobbed, certainly BUT their intended role will be to reveal Air Defense system spheres rather than neuter them.

After getting an idea about radar sources at ground,
The H-20 will have to fly low ( inorder to stay out of the radar detection cone) and launch radar homing A2G weapons.

Atleast that's what I think H-20 will do. Not so different from USA's approach to war. In USA's case, SSN launched Tomahawks are used to take out / locate radar sources. B-2s swoop in soon after, followed by the F-22s and then the rest of the forces. It works.

It's very interesting if the H-20 is capable of an air-launched DF-15. The DF-15 is about 9.1 meters, which is quite suitable for jamming into a bomber. The DF-21D, on the other hand, should be around 11 meters, which is possible, especially if Beijing uses high sweep on the front edge to extend the H-20's weapon bay size.

Also, when I bring up AESA, the point is that the B-21 is going to be a stealth EODAS or AESA AEW&C. Since it's wide-band stealth, on EODAS mode it's essentially undetectable except by very low-band radars. The H-20, ideally, should be getting similar capabilities.
 
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