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Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Engineer said:
Unprofessional? More like professionalism. The Chinese pilot kept the target in sight at all time and won't get any nasty surprise if the target were to suddenly pull up. Flying above the US plane without inverting would actually be idiotic, because neither side could see the other. This inverted manoeuvre is actually safer. Beside, in international airspace, Chinese aircraft can fly however the heck they want. America's concept of professionalism has no jurisdiction here.
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No...either way it was unprofessional.

It was provocative...and either it was ordered and meant to be that way...which would be even worse. Or it was a pilot being reckless.

Getting that close to another aircraft, particular that type of aircraft, inverted or not is dangerous and reckless.

We saw what it could cause years ago and we do not want or need (and neither do the Chinese) a repeat of such an incident.

When aircraft are operating in international air space...even if their exercise is to gather intel...if they are in international air space they are accorded basic operational respect.

THAT was not it.
 
Deino

Deino

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Jeff Head said:
No...either way it was unprofessional.

It was provocative...and either it was ordered and meant to be that way...which would be even worse. Or it was a pilot being reckless.

Getting that close to another aircraft, particular that type of aircraft, inverted or not is dangerous and reckless.

We saw what it could cause years ago and we do not want or need (and neither do the Chinese) a repeat of such an incident.

When aircraft are operating in international air space...even if their exercise is to gather intel...if they are in international air space they are accorded basic operational respect.

THAT was not it.
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I do not want to nitpick, but as long the US does not present any prof that this maneuver was risky or unprofessional I still have my doubts. Was there really that roll above the RC-135 or was simply a Su-30 (from what I read) closing the recce-bird and nothing more happened but the US guys are simply crying "foul" in order to keep the issue hot ?

Please don't get me wrong, but the last time (that famous P-8 & J-11BH #24-encounter) we got at least some images, here so far nothing but a hype in the media and China again is the bad-guy.

Deino
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
Deino said:
I do not want to nitpick, but as long the US does not present any prof that this maneuver was risky or unprofessional I still have my doubts. Was there really that roll above the RC-135 or was simply a Su-30 (from what I read) closing the recce-bird and nothing more happened but the US guys are simply crying "foul" in order to keep the issue hot ?

Please don't get me wrong, but the last time (that famous P-8 & J-11BH #24-encounter) we got at least some images, here so far nothing but a hype in the media and China again is the bad-guy.

Deino
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yeap, we can't simply trust claim from DoD or US medias ... too biased
 
Equation

Equation

Lieutenant General
Deino said:
I do not want to nitpick, but as long the US does not present any prof that this maneuver was risky or unprofessional I still have my doubts. Was there really that roll above the RC-135 or was simply a Su-30 (from what I read) closing the recce-bird and nothing more happened but the US guys are simply crying "foul" in order to keep the issue hot ?

Please don't get me wrong, but the last time (that famous P-8 & J-11BH #24-encounter) we got at least some images, here so far nothing but a hype in the media and China again is the bad-guy.

Deino
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Exactly! And the media hyped it up and automatically paint China as the "bad guy" while the "good guy" US was just on a "routine spy mission".
 
Engineer

Engineer

Major
Jeff Head said:
No...either way it was unprofessional.

It was provocative...and either it was ordered and meant to be that way...which would be even worse. Or it was a pilot being reckless.

Getting that close to another aircraft, particular that type of aircraft, inverted or not is dangerous and reckless.

We saw what it could cause years ago and we do not want or need (and neither do the Chinese) a repeat of such an incident.

When aircraft are operating in international air space...even if their exercise is to gather intel...if they are in international air space they are accorded basic operational respect.

THAT was not it.
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It was a fine display of professionalism. The Chinese pilot deserves the utmost respect. He should win an award. Also, China was just exercising freedom of navigation.

Keep in mind that the US aircraft don't cooperate with Chinese intercepts by flying straight and level. With the incident you've talked about, the US aircraft flew as slow as possible so the J-8's couldn't keep up (more like down).

US's notion of operational respect has no authority in international airspace.
 
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