PLA Small arms

paullaotzu said:

Sorry, but leaving aside the fact that what you posted is off-topic, half of the people in that picture wouldn’t even pass the PLA’s enlistment medical examination. The U.S. military’s enlistment standards are too low; even people who wear glasses can get in, and more than 20% of active-duty troops are officially considered obese.

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that was very clearly a joke aimed at the Texas NG, and I was referring to someone else's comments about PLA physical standards and physiques.

Salvationist said:

PLA soldiers should at least meet trve warrior standards like the Texas National Guard

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Poor trolling attempt. This would have made more impact




My 2c to this debate.
Size has weak correlation to strength. Go search youtube for this powerlifter Anatoly pranking gymbros who lift for aesthetics rather than actual strength.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Who has to carry, employ and run with the machine guns when the mounting equipment goes down? Who are the ones that have to pull the armored vehicle (especially MRAP’s or lighter vehicles) out of ditches when there are no recovery vehicles? Who are ones carrying the drones and other relevant gear more than 5 or even 6 miles due to enemy drones easily pinpointing vehicles?

The answer is people with high physique. The war in Ukraine, contrary to popular belief, has actually proven that fitness is a key variable to one’s survival over there. Sure, the NAFO brigade and Z-Bots have all posted pictures of drone pilots with cat ears. However, what they don’t show are the heavy gear and the rapid movement to quickly set up a camouflaged drone launch site. All of them require good fitness. Plus, the “Dad strength” is a real thing.

Finally, the stress factor is huge. Those with poor fitness will poorly adapt to stress that is inherent in war. People with poor fitness and chomp on snacks and cope about how tech makes fitness irrelevant die first.

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I agree, all things being equal, a good big 'un will outdo a good small guy, especially in terms of dead weights (which is all your weapon, ammo and gear) and hand-to-hand stuff.

For dead weights though, it's arguably that by the time a big 'un trains to the level of cardiovascular required for field work, they would have slimed down to something other than your typical US grunt. As have been mentioned before, a lot of T1 operators are very normal looking. I wasn't specops, just light infantry and I have never weighed in at more than 70kg ever and I regularly carry a ~50% body weight load during exercises and have actually done ~150% for about 800m casevac (which is quite typical of the fitness level for my unit). So the idea that you need big bodies for moving heavy stuff for when the mechanised bits fail is true to an extant but I honestly find it rare the situations that a South-Chinese physique absolutely fails in that regard. Dragging a MG up a 2000m elevation, been there - done that. Heavy gear and rapid movement (8km in 1hr), been there done that. Pulling a vehicle out of a ditch ... okay, we call for the RV (or judicious use of block-tackle-winch) but 12 of us have carried someone's Morris Mini onto the a heavy truck bed for shit and giggles before ...

As for hand-to-hand ... we might as well argue about whether the bayonet should still be standard equipment (which it isn't anymore in a lot of modern militaries).

I don't think size of soldier is really a huge issue. It's a silly meme for red neck USians to troll us Asians with.

Americans are actually quite vain, as their entire society is filled with artificially enhanced male physiques cultivated by steroid use. This phenomenon extends far beyond just bodybuilders—it has permeated the military, police forces, and even the general civilian population. Steroid users often suffer from impaired cardiopulmonary function, which explains their poor physical performance at the UAE SWAT Challenge.

Ultimately, the idea of muscle hypertrophy = abundant fast-twitch muscle = greater strength = Better accomplish the task

Such aesthetic preference is misguided, military doesn't care how big your arms are or how big dumbbells you can lift.

Apparently, these are early prototypes of the QSZ193. They have a more Glock-like industrial design, which the final product didn't adopt.

bsdnf said:

Ultimately, the idea of muscle hypertrophy = abundant fast-twitch muscle = greater strength = Better accomplish the task

Such aesthetic preference is misguided, military doesn't care how big your arms are or how big dumbbells you can lift.

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Has no one here heard of the the phrase "lean and mean"? In my experience the guys that are trained to the bones are more often the lean and mean type and not the bulky type, this is especially true for Asians

enroger said:

Has no one here heard of the the phrase "lean and mean"? In my experience the guys that are trained to the bones are more often the lean and mean type and not the bulky type, this is especially true for Asians

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It's the same for the french legionnaires. 'Lean like a tom cat' came from them.

Can we talk about firearms now?