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ABCDEF

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Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this but i came across this picture of 2 chinese APFSDS. 140mm APFSDS to the the left and the DTW-125 125mm to the right and some data.
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850mm projectile is gigantic and if used with that 125mm 60 Caliber gun that was shown in 2015 with the new 1,2m long one-piece ammunition and 2000m/s muzzle velocity i would not be surprised if it can perforate the frontal turret armor of the latest US Abrams and other NATO tanks beyond 2000m let alone their weak hulls which would be perforated from even further away. Furthermore 2015 is aeons ago for China and i think there are even nastier surprises in store for NATO tankists.
 
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alanch90

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ABCDEF said:
Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this but i came across this picture of 2 chinese APFSDS. 140mm APFSDS to the the left and the DTW-125 125mm to the right and some data.
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850mm projectile is gigantic and if used with that 125mm 60 Caliber gun that was shown in 2015 with the new 1,2m long one-piece ammunition and 2000m/s muzzle velocity i would not be surprised if it can perforate the frontal turret armor of the latest US Abrams and other NATO tanks beyond 2000m let alone their weak hulls which would be perforated from even further away. Furthermore 2015 is aeons ago for China and i think there are even nastier surprises in store for NATO tankists.
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Thing is for all we know that gigantic 125mm might as well be the same gun as the 140mm but in the smaller caliber. As is the case with the Russian 2A82 and 2A83.Though seeing the direction Chinese tank development has taken I guess its unlikely we'll ever see a tank with it.
 
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maybe you are right but i just find it interesting that that 60 caliber 125mm was designed and produced even with new one-piece shells to boot. As for the 105mm of this new tank if it really uses that 750mm projectile at 1706m/s it will pack a brutal punch for its weightclass so i'm pretty confindent in whatever ZTZ-XYZ will replace the ZTZ-99As and Bs will too have very strong APFSDS to deal with enemy MBTs. The 140mm APFSDS is what late 80ies or 1990s technology at best and in 2026 China can choose to enlarge the LRP itself to the furthest extent possible and have a 1000mm+ LRP with around 2000m/s muzzle velocity made possible with 2020s powder technology and perforate every single MBT of potential hostile nations from beyond 3km at their strongest parts. The future is very bright for PLA tankists.
Speaking of the 2A83 that cannon also doodoos all over Rheinmetalls 130mm L/51 it will be a far greater difference than the 120mm vs 125mm of ye olde times so i'm really curious why they choose this over the clearly superior French 140mm with its about 924mm APFSDS.
 
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latenlazy

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maybe you are right but i just find it interesting that that 60 caliber 125mm was designed and produced even with new one-piece shells to boot. As for the 105mm of this new tank if it really uses that 750mm projectile at 1706m/s it will pack a brutal punch for its weightclass so i'm pretty confindent in whatever ZTZ-XYZ will replace the ZTZ-99As and Bs will too have very strong APFSDS to deal with enemy MBTs. The 140mm APFSDS is what late 80ies or 1990s technology at best and in 2026 China can choose to enlarge the LRP itself to the furthest extent possible and have a 1000mm+ LRP with around 2000m/s muzzle velocity made possible with 2020s powder technology and perforate every single MBT of potential hostile nations from beyond 3km at their strongest parts. The future is very bright for PLA tankists.
Speaking of the 2A83 that cannon also doodoos all over Rheinmetalls 130mm L/51 it will be a far greater difference than the 120mm vs 125mm of ye olde times so i'm really curious why they choose this over the clearly superior French 140mm with its about 924mm APFSDS.
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I speculate that we should expect a new heavy tank to fill for some roles that the new Type 100 might not be as suitable for. Maneuver vs fortification becoming differentiated designs.
 
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