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by78

Brigadier
You must have big balls to engage a tank from a golf cart.
Many modern ATGMs outrange guns on MBTs, so these ATVs will be engaging MBTs from a safe distance. Also, ATVs have tiny silhouettes and are easily camouflaged or concealed, so good luck spotting them before it's too late. In other words, tactical ATVs armed with ATGMs are the perfect platform for shoot-and-scoot.
 
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by78

Brigadier
Not really. Most tie at best. You have to get a aircraft launched missile to really out range. And that means an attack chopper or turboprop or Jet fighter to launch it.
Modern ATGMs can outrange MBT guns significantly, some of which have vehicle-mounted variants hitting even further. The latest Kornet variant can reach out to 6500m, for example, about 2500m longer than Rh-120.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
can yes. But not absolute.
At the extreme orders of range much like the extreme orders of range for a tank shell.
DM63 has a listed range of 4000m yes but that’s not an absolute. That’s a generality based on one specific round.
Then you have the guided munitions class which can cross out to 8km. So it’s not an absolute that a modern ATGM form a ground platform can out range it’s a iffy. Then you have MANPATS which sacrifices range for portability.
Air based ATGM have a huge advantage because they have the added stage of starting from the air. And fixed wing even more because of the speed of the mother ship.
 

Builder

Just Hatched
Registered Member
A couple of years ago there were some pictures of this atgm. It's called the TL-4 atgm.
It seems that it is an image-homing guided missile. Is there anyone who know if this
missile is in service or for export only?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It’s not just about the range of the munitions, but also the sensors. Can a tank identify a tactical golf cart (TGC) at 4km+ range, when said TGC is in cover as well?
That’s a major part of it. And can said gulf cart ID the tank at that range?
then there is if the missile has to make a lot of course corrections. Those will eat up fuel and slow it down finally does the tank have an APS?
It’s not a one sided deal here a lot of factors come in. The optics the position of the tanks is moving and if the hit is effective. Because that is a one shot deal. If you miss the firing turns that gulf cart into target practice.
 

plawolf

Brigadier
That’s a major part of it. And can said gulf cart ID the tank at that range?
then there is if the missile has to make a lot of course corrections. Those will eat up fuel and slow it down finally does the tank have an APS?
It’s not a one sided deal here a lot of factors come in. The optics the position of the tanks is moving and if the hit is effective. Because that is a one shot deal. If you miss the firing turns that gulf cart into target practice.
I would say that the detection and engagement range advantage would always go to the TGC, since it will just be mounting normal ATGMs, and in most ambush scenarios, would have a similar profile as a ATGM team by taking advantage of cover and natural elevation/depressions etc.

However, on just the evidence of the pictures so far, I would query if the guided missile we have seen mounted really is for anti-tank work, as it is on the puny side.

Now, maybe it has top attack capacities, but then that would make it a very niche weapon for special forces/paratroopers to be carrying.

I would have thought that a traditional heavyweight ATGM like the HQ8/9/10 would have been the best choice if anti-tank was a major consideration, as those weapons would have the punch to trouble pretty much any modern MBT you might encounter on the battlefield, while still being useful as a direct fire weapon against non-tank targets like bunkers, high value targets and the like.

Looking at the TGC, it is clear that minimal weight is a major design requirement, that means top weight becomes a serious consideration, especially if you want to maintain some passable rough terrain capabilities. As such, I don’t think you can mount a traditional heavyweight ATGM on top without seriously limiting its mobility or introducing significant tip over risk.

The guided missile we have seen is likely intended for light armour, fortifications and heavy anti-material work primarily, and the TGC would not be squaring off against MBTs unless as an absolute last ditch hell merry play. The only other time the TGC might even think about taking a pot shot at a MBT is if it managed to sneak up for a rare shot, or going for the tracks to disable it.
 

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