PLA Anti-Air Missile (SAM) systems


ougoah

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There's simply no way the vehicle must stop in order for search radar to be used. It shows that in the video but that doesn't mean it couldn't perform shooting and guidance on the move. That would be a minimum requirement and the HQ-17 has long been shooting on the move.
 

nlalyst

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There's simply no way the vehicle must stop in order for search radar to be used. It shows that in the video but that doesn't mean it couldn't perform shooting and guidance on the move. That would be a minimum requirement and the HQ-17 has long been shooting on the move.
HQ-17 uses what appears to be a much lighter search radar and the caterpillar based vehicle itself is likely heavier. The (A)ESA radar on the new vehicle looks rather heavy and could potentially lead to stability concerns. At least it may be a possibility, until we have evidence otherwise.

If you rewatch the segment where the missile is fired, do you notice anything about the front wheel? It's as if it is angled off axis? Not sure what to make of that.
 
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by78

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HQ-17 uses a much lighter search radar. The AESA on the new vehicle looks rather heavy.

If you rewatch the segment where the missile is fired, do you notice anything about the front wheel? It's as if it is angled off axis? Not sure what to make of that.

How do you tell the radar's weight by looking at CGI footage, much less that it weighs less than the one on HQ-17?
 

Overbom

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HQ-17 uses what appears to be a much lighter search radar and the caterpillar based vehicle itself is likely heavier. The (A)ESA radar on the new vehicle looks rather heavy and could potentially lead to stability concerns. At least it may be a possibility, until we have evidence otherwise.
I dont understand. Are you saying that the HQ-17 must stop before using its search radar?

If that was true then the PLA would throw it straight to the garbage bin. Can you imagine an entire armoured column stopping every 10-20 seconds to allow the HQ17 to use its search radar?....

Since I dont believe that the PLA has kindergarden kids running it, I am on the side that the HQ-17 can use its radar, get targetting data and shoot while on the move
 

nlalyst

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I dont understand. Are you saying that the HQ-17 must stop before using its search radar?

If that was true then the PLA would throw it straight to the garbage bin. Can you imagine an entire armoured column stopping every 10-20 seconds to allow the HQ17 to use its search radar?....

Since I dont believe that the PLA has kindergarden kids running it, I am on the side that the HQ-17 can use its radar, get targetting data and shoot while on the move
Actually, I was saying the opposite. That the new vehicle stopped, as shown in the animation, because it might have stability issues if operating the tall and heavy search radar in motion.

Some arguments as to why:

1, HQ17 uses a caterpillar vehicle, and caterpillars have historically been chosen for relatively heavier vehicles than those using wheels. I don't have the weight figure for HQ-17, but Tor-M1 weighs 34 metric tons. Only in the last decade have some very heavy wheeled IFV approached those weights (Boxer IFV)

2. HQ17 uses a what looks like a light reflector antenna, where much of the radar components (like REX, transmitters, signal processing) are within the hull
3. The new vehicle appears to use an AESA search radar.

AESA antennas are inherently heavier than other radar type antennas, because they carry all the power amplifiers within the antenna and often much of the front-end signal processing hardware too.
 

Tam

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Short-range point defense SAM. I forgot the designation.

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I am guessing this is Norinco's Sky Dragon 12 (Tian Long 12). It used to be on a truck. Now its on a tracked vehicle.

Originally I thought it was something from SAST's FB series, but that video tells me it's Norinco's.

 

sndef888

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Is it possible there will be a new quadpacked naval SAM with range of around 30km instead of the 50-70 of the HQ-16?

That seems to be the sweet spot nowadays for many medium range missiles like CAMM, HISAR, Aster 15. Also will be useful in defending against sea skimming ashms since the detection range is only 20+km
 

supersnoop

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Looking at that launch photo, this is definitely NOT SD-12 which was a 57E6 style missile with the dart + booster configuration. Also the truck config had 12 missiles vs 8 and round tubes vs. square (although neither of those are solid indicators of anything). This looks more like SD-50/PL-12/15?

SD-50 only mounted 4 on what seems to be a larger truck, so this seems smaller than that.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Is it possible there will be a new quadpacked naval SAM with range of around 30km instead of the 50-70 of the HQ-16?

That seems to be the sweet spot nowadays for many medium range missiles like CAMM, HISAR, Aster 15. Also will be useful in defending against sea skimming ashms since the detection range is only 20+km
That's what I am thinking about as well, but maybe adding a booster to these quad-lack missiles so that they can maintain the 30-40 km range against incoming cruise missiles and aircrafts. The challenge for these quad-packed missile is to be able to intercept supersonic cruise missiles traveling at Mach 3+ and having sizes smaller than Tomahawk (think Japan's ASM-3).
 

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