PLA Anti-Air Gun systems


MIGleader

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what kind of role do close range, mobile anti aircraft platforms serve in the pla? i thought missles pretty much had the job covered, and the pla has around 750 s-300s. so are these vehicles for offensive,mobile air cover, or simply another layer of air-defense?

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type 95 mobile AAA

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and what kind of future does the Ld-2000 have with the pla?

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effective towed AAA. but are they outdated?
 

muyang523

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I think that is because missile systems cannot traverse or react fast enough to targets that are manuvering close to the ground. Plus missiles are expensive.
 
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jatt

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muyang523 said:
I think that is because missile systems cannot traverse or react fast enough to targets that are manuvering close to the ground. Plus missiles are expensive.
But the success of AAA is limited. I think the LD-2000 would be used to protect airfields. The PLA lacks missiles that could effectivily counter bombs and low altitude cruise missiles on short notice. Instead of developing a quick reaction missile the PLA may have dicided to use a CIWS instead.
 

muyang523

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Ld-2000 cannot effectively shoot down aircrafts and crusie missiles. CIWS are used to pentrate small holes into their targets. They dont't have a long range only about 3km maximium. They can only replace AAA but definity they can replace S-300 or FT-2000. Plus Ld-2000 is expensive and it doesn't look like the PLA is buying them.
 

Lavi

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There are many different variants in the field of short or point-defence weapons. One end represents the towed AAA's, the Ld-2000 and similar systems. These are used to provide point-defence of valuable stationary targets, like HQ's, airfields, bases and so on.

The Type 95 reflects a completly different approach, being a vehicle able to operate in the combat zone and following own armoured columns on the move. Putting the unnescesary expensive Type 95 to perform duties that towed AAA can handle is simply a waste of resources, which I guess gives my opinion on whether towed AAA is obsolete or not.

SAM's can be basically be divided up the same way.
 

FreeAsia2000

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Lavi said:
There are many different variants in the field of short or point-defence weapons. One end represents the towed AAA's, the Ld-2000 and similar systems. These are used to provide point-defence of valuable stationary targets, like HQ's, airfields, bases and so on.

The Type 95 reflects a completly different approach, being a vehicle able to operate in the combat zone and following own armoured columns on the move. Putting the unnescesary expensive Type 95 to perform duties that towed AAA can handle is simply a waste of resources, which I guess gives my opinion on whether towed AAA is obsolete or not.

SAM's can be basically be divided up the same way.

How will the introduction of systems like MetalStorm affect AAA?. Surely
a system like MetalStorm is very effective against Cruise Missiles but not
aircraft so will that mean Close Support systems will be used more in the future?
 

adeptitus

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Sadly, these days an anti-air system on the ground, is just another target from the air. To win in today's combat environment you really need to win air superiority.

As for low flying targets like enemy helos, how about hunter-killer drones/UAV's that can be used against low flying aircraft?
 

MIGleader

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muyang523 said:
Ld-2000 cannot effectively shoot down aircrafts and crusie missiles. CIWS are used to pentrate small holes into their targets. They dont't have a long range only about 3km maximium. They can only replace AAA but definity they can replace S-300 or FT-2000. Plus Ld-2000 is expensive and it doesn't look like the PLA is buying them.

the ak-630 has a range of 9 km. thats very far. the type 730 has a 4 km hit range and a 1 km kill range. for point defence, thats a great job.

china also does have close range missles, like the yitian ty-90. the missles have already been experimentally fitted on the ld-2000, ans as everyone knows, the hummer.

a combination of the two systems with s-300s and a electronic countermeasuere system like Bodyguard could provide valuabe protection against possible f-18 and b-52 strikes against airbases and communication centers near taiwan strait. america has a long tradition of using airpower to knock out these points. if china can creat a thourough, integrated defence for the vital points, it has longer life in the war.
 

crazyinsane105

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adeptitus said:
Sadly, these days an anti-air system on the ground, is just another target from the air. To win in today's combat environment you really need to win air superiority.

As for low flying targets like enemy helos, how about hunter-killer drones/UAV's that can be used against low flying aircraft?

The S-300 can hit targets pretty far away and since it is a brand new system that NATO hasn't toyed with, it will be a pretty nasty surprise against any aircraft. Also, correct me if I am mistaken, I read in a source that the S-300 can't be targeted by anti-radiation missiles. Is that true? And if so, why? Does the S-300 use the same type of radar system that the Chech Vera has or what?
 

MIGleader

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crazyinsane105 said:
The S-300 can hit targets pretty far away and since it is a brand new system that NATO hasn't toyed with, it will be a pretty nasty surprise against any aircraft. Also, correct me if I am mistaken, I read in a source that the S-300 can't be targeted by anti-radiation missiles. Is that true? And if so, why? Does the S-300 use the same type of radar system that the Chech Vera has or what?

i dont know if the s-300 has anti-radiation missle ability(ARM), but the ft-2000/hq-9 does.
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the s-300 uses the Clam Shell 3D 360º , and the 'Flap Lid-B' radar/engagement control vehicle, or the 64N6/H6E Tomb Stone phased-array engagement radar.
 

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