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Yes we shall give it another try. I'm copying something they do at mp.net over hotly contested news items.

The situation in Hong Kong is getting more volatile as the days pass by. This cannot be ignored.

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By Clare Baldwin and James Pomfret

Over a thousand protesters, some clad in protective goggles and helmets, thronged to the gritty and congested Mong Kok district after work and school on Friday evening, to try to reclaim sections of an intersection that police had cleared in a surprise raid early on Friday.

Student leaders urged people via Facebook and social media to retake the area that has been a flashpoint for ugly street fights between students and mobs, including triads, or local gangsters, intent on breaking up their protracted and unprecedented protest movement.

Demonstrators chanting "open the road" tried to break through multiple police lines and used upturned umbrellas to shield themselves from pepper spray. In the melee, police used batons and scuffled violently with throngs of activists, some of whom were wrestled away and taken into police custody.

"It's vital to keep this site," said Joshua Wong, a bookish 18-year-old whose fiery speeches have helped drive the protests.

"All the sites are very important. We will stay and fight till the end," he said while standing atop a subway station exit and addressing the seething crowds below.

The protesters, led by a restive generation of students, have been demanding China's Communist Party rulers live up to constitutional promises to grant full democracy to the former British colony which returned to Chinese rule in 1997.

Before dawn on Friday, hundreds of police staged their biggest raid yet on a pro-democracy protest camp, charging down student-led activists who had held the intersection in one of their main protest zones for more than three weeks.

The operation came while many protesters were asleep in dozens of tents or beneath giant, blue-striped tarpaulin sheets.

The raid was a gamble for the 28,000-strong police force who have come under criticism for aggressive clearance operations with tear gas and baton charges and for the beating of a handcuffed protester on Wednesday.

Storming into the intersection from four directions, with helmets, riot shields and batons at the ready, the 800 officers caught the protesters by surprise. Many retreated without resisting.

"The Hong Kong government's despicable clearance here will cause another wave of citizen protests," radio talk-show host and activist Wong Yeung-tat said earlier.

In the evening, with more protesters streaming to the area, authorities closed nearby underground train station exits.

Police raised red flags, warning the protesters not to charge, with intermittent scuffles breaking out as protesters repeatedly tried to breach police lines.
 

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A pro-democracy protester is arrested by riot police after police moved in the occupied area by the protesters in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong, early Friday, Oct. 17, 2014. Riot police moved in on a Hong Kong pro-democracy protest zone in a dawn raid on Friday, taking down barricades, tents and canopies that have blocked key streets for more than two weeks. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

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Local residents shout to a pro-democracy protester at a main street at Mong kok district in Hong Kong Friday, Oct. 17, 2014. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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A defaced picture of Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying is displayed on the lamp post at the occupied area in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong, early Friday, Oct. 17, 2014. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

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A police officer reacts after he was hit by pepper spray after a clash between protesters and police near an occupied area by pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong early Thursday, Oct. 16, 2014. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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A pro-democracy protester is arrested by riot polices after police moved in the occupied area by the pro-democracy protesters in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong, early Friday, Oct. 17, 2014. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

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Riot police remove barricades surrounding the pro-democracy student camp in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong, early Friday, Oct. 17, 2014. (AP Photo/Wally Santana)

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Police officers push the protesters out to a nearby park to clear the main roads outside government headquarters in Hong Kong's Admiralty, Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2014. Hundreds of Hong Kong police officers moved in early Wednesday to clear pro-democracy protesters out of a tunnel outside the city government headquarters in the latest escalation of tensions in a weekslong political crisis. Officers, many of them in riot gear and wielding pepper spray, tore down barricades and concrete slabs around the underpass. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

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A police officer tries to stop a man who removing the metal barricades that protesters have set up to block off main roads near the heart of the city's financial district. Hong Kong Monday, Oct. 13, 2014. An angry crowd tried to charge barricades used by pro-democracy protesters to occupy part of downtown Hong Kong as a standoff with authorities dragged into a third week. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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A police officer tries to stop a man who is removing the metal barricades that protesters have set up to block off main roads near the heart of the city's financial district. Hong Kong Monday, Oct. 13, 2014. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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Police officers remove barricades that protesters set up to block off main roads in Central district in Hong Kong Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2014. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

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Anti-Occupy Central protesters (L) try to remove barricades set up as road blocks by pro-democracy protesters in the Central financial district in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.

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Police try to stop a masked anti-Occupy Central protester as he attempts to remove road blocks set up by pro-democracy protesters in the Central financial district in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.

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Anti-Occupy Central protesters drag a metal fence over a pro-democracy protester at the main protest site in Admiralty in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.

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Police stand in a cordon facing pro-democracy protesters near the government headquarters building in Hong Kong October 13, 2014. Hong Kong police on Monday removed some barricades erected by pro-democracy protesters in the Chinese-controlled city, but said protesters could remain on the streets they have occupied for the past two weeks.

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A man is pulled back and kicked as he tries to remove a barricade set up by pro-democracy protesters blocking a main road at Hong Kong's shopping Mongkok district October 4, 2014
 

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Oct 17 (Reuters) - Hong Kong riot police used pepper spray and baton charged crowds of pro-democracy protesters on Friday evening as tension escalated after a pre-dawn clearance of a major protest zone in the Chinese-controlled financial hub.

Crowds of protesters headed to the gritty and congested Mong Kok district after work and school on Friday evening, across the harbour from the heart of the civil disobedience movement near government headquarters, to try to reclaim sections of an intersection that police had cleared in a surprise raid early on Friday.

Hundreds of protesters tried to break through police lines and they used open umbrellas to shield themselves from pepper spray. In the melee, police used batons and scuffled violently with activists.

Police hauled off several protesters as others shouted insults and chanted "open the road".

The protesters, led by a restive generation of students, have been demanding China's Communist Party rulers live up to constitutional promises to grant full democracy to the former British colony which returned to Chinese rule in 1997.

Before dawn on Friday, hundreds of police staged their biggest raid yet on a pro-democracy protest camp, charging down student-led activists who had held the intersection in one of their main protest zones for more than three weeks.

The operation came while many protesters were asleep in dozens of tents or beneath giant, blue-striped tarpaulin sheets.

The raid was a gamble for the 28,000-strong police force who have come under criticism for aggressive clearance operations with tear gas and baton charges and for the beating of a handcuffed protester on Wednesday.

Storming into the intersection with helmets, riot shields and batons at the ready from four directions, the 800 officers caught the protesters by surprise. Many retreated without resisting.

"The Hong Kong government's despicable clearance here will cause another wave of citizen protests," radio talk-show host and activist Wong Yeung-tat said earlier.

In the evening, with more protesters streaming to the area, authorities closed the nearby underground train station, media reported.

Police raised red flags, warning the protesters not to charge.

DEMOCRACY DEMAND

The escalation in the confrontation illustrates the dilemma faced by police in striking a balance between law enforcement and not inciting the defiant protesters who have been out for three weeks in three core shopping and government districts.

In August, Beijing offered Hong Kong people the chance to vote for their own leader in 2017, but said only two to three candidates could run after getting backing from a 1,200-person "nominating committee" stacked with Beijing loyalists.

The protesters decry this as "fake" Chinese-style democracy and demand Beijing allow open nominations.

Earlier this week, police had used sledge-hammers and chainsaws to tear down concrete, metal and bamboo barricades to reopen a major road feeding the Central business district.

Despite the clearances, about 1,000 protesters remained camped on Hong Kong Island in a sea of tents and umbrellas on an eight-lane highway beneath skyscrapers.

Hong Kong's pro-Beijing leader Leung Chun-ying has said there is "zero chance" Beijing will give in to protesters' demands, a view shared by many observers and Hong Kong citizens. He has also refused to step down.

Leung has proposed talks next week with student leaders.

The Hong Kong Association of Banks called on Friday for an end to help Hong Kong preserve its competitiveness and maintain investor confidence.

At the peak of the protests, 100,000 had been on the streets, presenting Beijing with one of its biggest political challenges since it crushed pro-democracy demonstrations in and around Tiananmen Square in the Chinese capital in 1989.

Those numbers have dwindled significantly.

China rules Hong Kong under a "one country, two systems" formula that gives the city wide-ranging autonomy and freedoms not enjoyed in mainland China, with "universal suffrage" stated as the eventual aim.

It is concerned calls for democracy in Hong Kong, and in the neighbouring former Portuguese colony of Macau, could spread to the mainland, threatening the party's grip on power.
 
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Police officers stand guard at a main street in Mong Kok district in Hong Kong Friday, Oct. 17, 2014. Riot police cleared an offshoot Hong Kong pro-democracy protest zone in a dawn raid on Friday, taking down barricades, tents and canopies that have blocked key streets for more than two weeks, but leaving the city's main thoroughfare still in the hands of the activists. (AP Photos/Vincent Yu)

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Riot police remove barricades surrounding the pro-democracy student camp in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong, early Friday, Oct. 17, 2014.

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Protesters are arrested by riot police in the occupied area in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong, late Friday, Oct. 17, 2014. New scuffles broke out Friday night between Hong Kong riot police and pro-democracy activists in a district where police cleared protesters earlier in the day. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

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A police officer holding a police baton secures the area where a pro-democracy protester is being arrested by riot polices in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong, early Friday, Oct. 17, 2014

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Protesters scuffle with riot police in the occupied area in the Mong Kok district of Hong Kong Friday, Oct. 17, 2014.
 
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消息人士證實, 公民黨曾健超淋的液體,包含有尿液成份。
另外, 網上有人製圖狡辯淋液人士不是曾健超,經過回看多間媒體片和相,多方查證,確是公民黨曾健超。

Sources confirmed that the Civic Party, Zeng Jianchao pour liquids, contain elements of urine. In addition, online mapping excuses pour liquid is not Zeng Jianchao, after looking back at media and multi check, it is citizens ' Party Zeng Jianchao. (Translated by Bing)
 

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Around two thirds of Hong Kong residents are not supporting the protests. That’s according to a new survey released by a local think tank. The Hong Kong Research Association says 67 percent of local respondents they surveyed claim they don’t support the on-going movement.

At the same time, 54 percent of those surveyed say the protests are taking a toll on their daily lives. The survey also suggests, around one third of the respondents expect the movement may continue for another one to three weeks.
 

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China rejects West's criticism on Hong Kong affairs

BEIJING, Oct. 16 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese Foreign Ministry has rejected criticism from Britain and the United States on Hong Kong affairs.

British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Wednesday that Britain should stand up for the rights of people in Hong Kong, Reuters reported.

Speaking in parliament, Cameron said it was important people in Hong Kong could enjoy freedoms and rights set out in the Sino-British Joint Declaration of 1984 that agreed to return Hong Kong to Chinese sovereignty.

He was speaking after protesters in Hong Kong clashed with police early on Wednesday morning.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said on Thursday that the rights and freedoms of Hong Kong residents have been fully guaranteed since Hong Kong returned to China in 1997.

Hong Kong's democratic institutions will achieve historic progress if the island promotes constitutional development in accordance with the Basic Law and the decision of the National People's Congress Standing Committee's (NPCSC), he said.

The NPCSC has decided that the election of a chief executive for the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) in 2017 shall be implemented by universal suffrage on the basis of nomination by a "broadly representative" committee.

Hong said that Hong Kong's affairs fall within China's internal affairs and no country or individual has a right to interfere.

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said on Wednesday that the United States was concerned by reports of the police actions and urged a "swift, transparent and complete investigation."

In response, Hong said the protesters had blocked main traffic thoroughfares, obstructed law enforcement and severely interfered with the social order in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong's police said they arrested 45 people on Wednesday morning as they cleared Lung Wo Road in Admiralty. Thirty-seven men and eight women were detained for illegal assembly and obstructing the police.

There were chaotic scenes during the clear-out operation as officers scuffled with demonstrators, wrestled some to the ground and forced others off the road. The police had to fire pepper spray during the violence.

No society can tolerate such illegal activities, Hong said, adding that the Hong Kong government has begun investigating the incident.
 

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HK security chief cites protesters' disruptive actions

Hong Kong's Secretary for Security Lai Tung-kwok says the police have coped with the protests in a professional, restrained and impartial manner. Lai was responding to an inquiry by the Hong Kong Legislative Council on Wednesday. He called on all circles to understand and support the police, and elaborated on what they have had to deal with.

"Protesters rushed onto Harcourt Road, occupied the road and intentionally blocked traffic on a large scale. This disrupted Hong Kong’s major roads. In front of the police defensive line, some activists refused to listen to police appeals and warnings, and even tried to break the defensive line. They grabbed the barrier fence and attacked the police with umbrellas and bottles. These actions have severely disrupted public security and social order," Lai said.
 

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British back Hong Kong's policing methods

'Largely proportionate' actions defended in debate at House of Lords

PUBLISHED : Thursday, 16 October, 2014, 1:01pm
UPDATED : Friday, 17 October, 2014, 10:44am

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Britain's peers have defended Hong Kong's policing methods, describing them during a House of Lords debate yesterday as "largely proportionate".

Without directly mentioning alleged police abuses, House of Lords' spokesman William Wallace, speaking on behalf of the government, also defended the city's rule of law, saying it had been upheld.

Wallace said Britain was mindful of "reform, consultation [and] slow progress" as the preferred option rather than "the politics of the streets" as happened in the Arab Spring.

Former Hong Kong governor David Wilson, who led the British side of a working group tasked with drafting the 1984 Sino-British Joint Declaration, agreed that recent policing had been proportionate, and gave credit to officers.

Wilson, who served as governor from 1987 to 1992, said he had "no valid evidence" that the mainland had breached the Joint Declaration.

Wallace also revealed that British Prime Minister David Cameron had spoken to Vice-Premier Ma Kai last month and had also discussed Hong Kong's constitutional development with Premier Li Keqiang in June, when the Chinese leader visited London. He said Beijing's white paper on its policy towards Hong Kong had not undermined the city's judicial independence nor breached the Joint Declaration.

Richard Luce, who initiated the debate in the upper house of Parliament, said Britain had "an obligation, if not a moral one" to Hong Kong citizens.

Before the Lords debate, Cameron had said that democracy involved real choices and that the UK should stand up for those rights in Hong Kong. "Rights and freedoms, including those of person, of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of travel, of movement, and, indeed, of strike … These are important freedoms, jointly guaranteed through that Joint Declaration and it's that which, most of all, we should stand up for," he said.

A debate will also take place in the lower chamber, the House of Commons, next Wednesday, days ahead of Leung Chun-ying's first official visit to London since becoming chief executive in 2012.

Neither of the debates has a legally binding impact on the British government, though an investigation by Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee into the implementation of the Joint Declaration may factor in London's future policies and stance towards Hong Kong.

Lawmakers on the committee are planning a visit next month. Secretary for Justice Rimsky Yuen Kwok-keung has warned this would amount to interference in the city's affairs.

The United States raised concerns about police actions and urged a "swift, transparent and complete investigation" after videos emerged of police allegedly beating a protester.

Beijing rejected criticism from Britain and the US, insisting the rights of Hongkongers had been fully guaranteed since the city's return to the mainland in 1997.
 

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Hong Kong's war for democracy gets dirtier
By Peter Lee

[Hong Kong opposition lawmakers have asked the territory's anti-corruption agency to investigate CY Leung, the chief executive, following revelations that he received 4m pounds [US$7 million] in undisclosed payments from an Australian company.

The Democratic party on Thursday asked the Independent Commission Against Corruption to open a probe, while members of the umbrella pan-democrat camp said the opposition would also consider launching impeachment proceedings. - Financial Times, October 9.]

Things have become hotter for Hong Kong Chief Executive CY Leung, with Australian journalist John Garnaut revealing that Leung signed a non-compete agreement when he parted ways with an Australian company, UGL, that also included a multi-million dollar consulting clause that might have exposed him to



some conflict of interest ethics problems when he became Hong Kong's chief executive.

Though the sin seems to be of a venial nature as Radio Free Asia reported it:

While there was nothing apparently illegal about the contract itself, Leung didn't disclose it during his election campaign, the paper said.

That's not good enough for the pro-democracy movement:

Pan-democratic lawmakers in Hong Kong said they would impeach Leung over the allegations.

Fair enough. In my opinion, this is a not unpredictable escalation of the crisis, an effort to get the pro-Beijing government on the defensive when dealing with the negotiations with the students, intimidate the government with the pro-democracy movement's clout and capabilities and, perhaps, decapitate the HK government by forcing CY Leung's resignation and putting the accommodation-minded Carrie Lam - Hong Kong's chief secretary, ie the city's top civil servant - in the driver's seat.

So Leung has his work cut out for him. No problem with that. We're clearly in the hardball phase of the struggle.

I predicted there will be a continual escalation of pressure against the Hong Kong government in order to reform and co-opt it and present the pro-democracy case to Beijing, maybe not out of conviction but because of the desire to dodge the intense political pressure that the democracy movement will continue to bring to bear, inside and outside the governments, from elites and key constituencies, and backed up by the ability to put students on the streets to protest.

Educators now in open support of the movement, as I also predicted. A student told RFA that only half the students were in class:

"[The rest] are all in Admiralty and Central," Chin said. "The college still supports us, and the teachers are e-mailing stuff to us, to help the students."

And indeed, Garnaut's audio segment (illustrated with a quite timely Next Media animation), editorialized about the "travesty" of the nine-day delay in the Hong Kong government's beginning talks with the students and opined that revelations about the deal "add to the pressure on CY Leung to be more reasonable in upcoming talks".

Here's Quartz:

It's not clear where Fairfax Media obtained the contract. When asked about the publicly-floated theory [David Pilling of the Financial Times obligingly started the attribution ball rolling - PL] that Beijing may have leaked the information to Fairfax, Nick McKenzie, one of article's authors, told Quartz: "I'm afraid we never comment on the identity of sources, I can only say they were people with deep concerns about the probity of CY and UGL's dealings and that we only got the story very recently."

The fact that John Garnaut co-wrote the story is notable. Now back in Australia, Garnaut was for many years a highly accomplished foreign correspondent in Beijing, thanks to his many sources connected with the Chinese government.

For Pete's sake. John Garnaut is Xi Jinping's go to guy for radioactive tittle-tattle? I smell ... bullshit.

As I smelled in a tweet by another journo, who passed on the tidbit that Legislative Council member and Civic Party leader Alan Leong, who has emerged as perhaps the democracy movement's most brazen flak, was claiming the council had recessed because:

... pro-Beijing lawmakers got messages that Beijing wants to fire CYL over payments

My fingers would curl up in embarrassment if I tried to type something like that (fortunately I was able to cut-and-paste).

If the journalistic community is unable to recognize, as I put it on Twitter, plain vanilla psyops meant to sow FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) between Beijing and Hong Kong at a level befitting an IQ test in a petting zoo, while dodging the fact that the pro-democracy movement is engaged in a calculated and rather inelegant exercise in dirty tricks ?

? but who am I kidding?

My general feeling is this. The Western media wants a big story to come out of this. Heck, there's a certain prestige media outlet that's laying off journos by the fistful while maintaining an expensive, top-heavy presence of exiled reporters in Hong Kong; it needs a big story.

And it's hoping that story is democratic revolution in Hong Kong and maybe, just maybe, in mainland China.

Unfortunately, that's just one story. And right now it's not the main story.

The main story is that the pro-democracy movement is coordinated and financed by a group of clever, determined, and ruthless bigwigs who are using the student demonstrations as part of a sophisticated political campaign against the Hong Kong government to achieve some electoral reforms.

Maybe not the story the pro-democracy media wants to tell.

But it's the true story. And I don't think there's any shame in telling it. The democracy movement has a solid agenda and support, and the facts, if they hurt, aren't going to hurt too much. And it's easier on the discriminating reader than flogging the dishonest and increasingly tedious line that what we see playing out in the streets and in the media is just a spontaneously evolving outburst of impassioned students, or pretending that a carefully prepared and timed hatchet job against Leung is some kind of circular firing squad gambit by Beijing.

Speaking of facts - actually, facts, leaks, and oppo research dumps from the other side of the fence - pro-Beijing operators unearthed another interesting nugget from the computers of Jimmy Lai, the Next Media tycoon who is bankrolling and overseeing much of the democracy action in Hong Kong.

The Lai camp has not challenged the authenticity of an audio recording purporting to be Lai's own record of his discussions with Taiwan democracy icon Shih Ming-teh in October 2013.

Shih did 25 years - yes, 25 years, including 13 years of solitary and four years of hunger strike - of hard time in Taiwan's prisons during a struggle for reform of the Republic of China's political system (under Chiang Kai-shek, and until his son Chiang Ching-kuo yielded, the ROC operated under a martial law regime inherited from the mainland that gave Taiwaners only a minority voice as one of the two dozen or so Chinese provinces in the parliament). As a result, he is called by some "Taiwan's Mandela".

As befits the factionalized character of Taiwanese politics, Shih broke with the Democratic Progressive Party and is now on the outside looking in. His most relevant experience to Lai apparently was his organization of the "Million Voices against Corruption, President Chen Must Go" "Red Shirts" action in 2006, an orchestrated multi-stage, multi-week street action that contributed to independence-minded Chen Shui-bian's removal from office, much to the delight of Beijing; in fact, Shih was accused of acting as the PRC's cat's paw.

Today, Shih Ming-teh pursues a relatively idiosyncratic but rather Kuomintang-friendly agenda of "Greater One China", which splits the baby between independence and reunification with a call for overlapping sovereignty.

So it would seem that democratizing the Hong Kong arrangement within the PRC context would be somewhat to Shih's taste, and either Lai believed that Shih would not blab his plans to Beijing, or didn't care if he did.

In any event, they met.

The tape - in nice, clear Mandarin, by the way - has Lai blustering in the trademark da kuan fashion, while Shih goes Zhuge Liang [the third-century Chinese strategist] in advising on how to win at high-stakes democratic brinksmanship.

The accompanying news story says Lai made an offering of 200,000 yuan (currency not specified) to arrange the meeting (which was puckishly described as Lai "going to pick up the scriptures" as Tripitika did in Journey to the West) and Lai collected everybody's phones so they couldn't be used as listening devices (Lai apparently knew about the ability of government surveillance authorities to secretly turn on cellphones and turn them into microphones).

Shih supposedly gave Lai advice on putting students, young girls, and mothers with children in the vanguard of the street protests, in order to attract the support of the international community and press, and to sustain the movement with continual activities to keep it dynamic and fresh.

We've certainly seen that, though these particular elements are not addressed in the audio and transcript that made their way into the world earlier this week.

For some reason, Lai openly recorded the conversations himself (he refers to shutting the recorder off at presumably sensitive moments) and then the audio file got hacked off his computers. Go figure.

The meeting was apparently meant to be a super secret summit between Lai, some Hong Kongers, and Shih Ming-teh and some other Taiwan figures who had experience in the use of mass street politics. One of the other attendees at the meeting, a local media nawab associated with protest politics named Fan Keqian, revealed on Taiwan TV that he was furious at Lai - who had demanded complete, "silent as the grave" secrecy - for letting the audio get out, calling him "a son of a dog". Neither Fan nor another attendee, Yao Li-ming, a political commentator who also helped put the wood to Chen Shui-bian in the 2006 mass action, can be heard on this excerpt.

The audio is an interesting look at the nuts and bolts of high-stakes activism by two serious players, one well-heeled and determined, the other bringing a lifetime of experience to the table. Shih talks about the importance of a commitment to go to jail for the cause (he says he's willing to go to Hong Kong and get arrested) and the inevitable dangers of provocateurs.

Interestingly, Shih does not share the "Tiananmen Redux" anxieties voiced by so many journos and pundits during the Hong Kong street demonstrations. "No blood will flow," he declares.

A year before Hong Kong Occupy kicked off (but a full six months after he had rained millions of Hong Kong dollars on democracy-inclined politicians) Jimmy Lai already seemed to be "in it to win it", as we say in US politics ("It's decided!" he trumpets, his enthusiasm perhaps a function of Shih's confidence that jail time for Hong Kong protesters won't be anything like what he went through on Taiwan).

Lai offers to send some journalistic cheddar Shih's way, and indeed Shih contributed a hopefully well-compensated opinion piece to Apple Daily on October 1 on Tear Gas and the Freedom that Wants to Fly.

Maybe further releases will fill in some interesting gaps, like the reference to "the meeting on the 14th" and scheduling a visit by Shih "after the round table conference"; and the "Ma" action on Taiwan; and what seems to be Shih's interest in using the Hong Kong action to jumpstart his new political alignment in Taiwan with some supporting street demonstrations.

Rely on it, there's plenty more out there, and plenty more worth reporting.

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For the sake of posterity and interested readers and journos, see here for a translation of the transcript of the discussion between Jimmy Lai and Shih Ming-teh.
 
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