Maritime Cooperation 2012 joint Chinese & Russian naval training


Red___Sword

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Re: Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag in China

They were building eight at the time the wall came down. There are now three in service...two of those only recently after very liong refits.
A quick OT, I notice a lot of western people view the Fall of Berlin wall as THE BIG EVENT. But isn't the Legal Decompose of Soviet itself be more proper for THE BIG EVENT?

By the time German people hack the first brick from the Berlin wall, Soviet can still doom everyone's "brighter future". You have to count the fall of Soviet itself as the BIG EVENT, man.

Just saying.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag in China

A quick OT, I notice a lot of western people view the Fall of Berlin wall as THE BIG EVENT. But isn't the Legal Decompose of Soviet itself be more proper for THE BIG EVENT?

By the time German people hack the first brick from the Berlin wall, Soviet can still doom everyone's "brighter future". You have to count the fall of Soviet itself as the BIG EVENT, man.

Just saying.
Yes, legally you are exactly correct and the showdown with Yeltsin in Moscow with the tanks and protesters was huge in that context...and like the final nail in the coffin.

But the heart and soul of it happened when that Berlin Wall came down. If the Soviets had the power at all like they once had, they would never have allowed it, despite East Germany not being able or willing to stop it.

As it was, they (the Soviets) couldn't and once that happened, in the west, the rest was pretty much a fore gone conclusion. That's why we refer to it.

Actually, most people in the west use that event to refer to the whole set of events for the complete Iron Curtain coming down in so short a time, including the break-up of the Soviet Union.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: Chinese & Russian navies conduct anti-submarine exercise in Yellow Sea

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The Udaloy class are first rate ASW vessels. Multi-purpose too...but really strong ASW DDGs. They are the one class the Russians have retained the most of. Of 15, eight are still in service.

By comparison, of the 21 Sovs, only five are left in service, of eight Slava Class CGs, only three are left, of the four large Kirov nuclear battle cruisers, only one is left in service. Three others claim to be in refit for activation by 2020...but because of that length, it is unsrue whether they will do it or not.

In the frigate class, their principle frigate was the Krivak of which 40 were built, only three of those remain in service. Of the seven newer Neustrashimyy class frigates, only 2 are now active.

So, when the Soviet Unipon collapsed, they had a total of close to 97 major, modern surface combatants...now they have 19. Huge decline. And these are not exercised nearly enough.

Attrition (though less) has also occurred with their submarine force. Of 30 kilos built, 14 are still in servive, with three building and another three planned. Of the 7 Alfa Class, all are retired. Of the 5 Sierra Class, 3 are active, of the 16 Akula Class, 10 are still active.

In the SSGN category, of the 14 Oscar class, 5 are active.

In the SSBN category, of the 14 Delta III Class, 5 are still active, of the 7 Delta IV class, 7 are still active, and of the 6 massive Typhoon class, 3 are strill active.

So with subs, the Soviets went from 99 acitve major submarines to 44 active subs today. All in all thats 196 active major combatants when the collapse hit to 63 today. That's a huge decline...and as I said, of those considered active, not nearly enough time is spent with them at sea and exercising or conducting normal operations.
 

Red___Sword

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Re: Chinese & Russian navies conduct anti-submarine exercise in Yellow Sea

Thanks for the data Jeff, but I though I read somewhere they have but only one typoon remain active duty?

Anyway, Real Admiral Yin Zhuo during an interview states that ASW is a nation's "core trade" kind of operation that will not easily share with others if they are only lip-service friend. The joint ASW training shows the degree of China and Russia to trust each other.

We live in hack of a interesting time when Yellow sea saw both the action of US-Korea joint excercise, and Sino-Russo joint training. SDF is such a non-bashing cyber space, let's all hope politicians all over the corners will not lead us to a too exciting time.

PS. I may damn wish to bluntly put it that it maybe need a joint excercise by the "commies" at the Caribbean sea for people to wake up that this world is going too far now.
 

Red___Sword

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Re: Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag in China

I see, thanks Jeff.

I guess it is the difference of the emphasis of the symbol, the "Curtain" is right there in your eyes; for we to have a heavy feeling, just need to take a look at any map of that time to know what is "en-circle". You see to the mental victory, we look at the physical decompose.

OK, that's about the OT, thanks again.
 

escobar

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Re: Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag in China

PLAN warships for joint naval exercise "Maritime Cooperation 2012"

N.o112 "Harbin" missile destroyer:


N.o115 "ShenYang" missile destroyer:


N.o137 "FuZhou" missile destroyer:


N.o138 "TaiZhou" missile destroyer:


N.o527 "LuoYang" missile frigate:


N.o528 "MianYang" missile frigate:


N.o548 "YiYang" missile frigate:


N.o529 "ZhouShan" missile frigate:


N.o530 "XuZhou" missile frigate:


N.o881 "Hongze Lake" ocean supply:


N.o886 "Peace Ark" hospital ship:


one "kilo" submarine:


one type039 submarine:


PLAN J-8II fighters
PLAN JH-7A fighters
Navy Z-9 anti-submarine helicopters
Navy Z-8 helicopters


PLAN will send total 16x warships, 2x submarine, 13x aircrafts, 5x helicopters to join 2012 Sino-Russia joint naval exercise.
 

escobar

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Re: Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag in China

Chinese,Russian Navy joint Milltary Drill: Special force competition.











 

bd popeye

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Re: Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag in China

Great pix escobar..I was just going to post those...ya' beat me to it..great job!
 

bd popeye

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I must be slipping.. I'm starting and understand Red__Sword's post! OMG!!

I may damn wish to bluntly put it that it maybe need a joint excercise by the "commies" at the Caribbean sea for people to wake up that this world is going too far now.
I think China could support such an expedition logistically. But Russia? Not sure. They would have to stage some support assets in Cuba.
 

Kurt

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Re: Chinese & Russian navies conduct anti-submarine exercise in Yellow Sea

Brazil and China can do that and Russia will likely only send some nuclear powered ships to the Carribean. However, it would be real fun to watch Russian seamen in the brothels of New Orleans.
 

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