KJ-600 carrierborne AEWC thread

iantsai · Jan 1, 2022

An article from a magazine (source unknown, posted in haohanfw.com BBS by @隼鹰) discusses the capability of INS Vikramaditya and PLANS Shandong operating E-2 size AEW planes.

According to the tonnage and deck size differences of these two aircraft carriers, the cost of operating E-2 size aircraft is different.

In Vikramatidya, the flight deck areas B,D,E,F,J,K all need to be cleaned to keep the taking off and landing operation safe for E-2 size aircrafts. And thereafter the space left to avoid a collision is still very limited: when taking off, the space between the wing of E-2 to the bridge (area H) is less than 2 meters.

In Shandong, the occupation of places which may interfere with the TO/L operations are in area A2 and B.

Gloire_bb · Jan 1, 2022

asif iqbal said:
Soviet tried but never really succeeded with the Yak-44

Because Soviet Union kinda ceased to exist? The program simply disappeared with it.
There was nothing explicitly difficult with the plane part of the equation, even if yak-44 as a platform was pretty ... unusual(check the powerplant).

iantsai said:
An article from a magazine (source unknown, posted in haohanfw.com BBS by @隼鹰) discusses the capability of INS Vikramaditya and PLANS Shandong operating E-2 size AEW planes.

Interesting take, but E-2 is incapable of that - not enough power.
The abovementioned yak-44 probably could've done it - precisely due to enormously oversized engines - but is long gone.

So either someone will finally fund tiltrotor STOVL, or they're stuck with helicopters.

hkvaryag · Jan 1, 2022

Gloire_bb said:
Because Soviet Union kinda ceased to exist? The program simply disappeared with it.
There was nothing explicitly difficult with the plane part of the equation, even if yak-44 as a platform was pretty ... unusual(check the powerplant).

Interesting take, but E-2 is incapable of that - not enough power.
The abovementioned yak-44 probably could've done it - precisely due to enormously oversized engines - but is long gone.

So either someone will finally fund tiltrotor STOVL, or they're stuck with helicopters.

E-2 had been tested taking off through a ski-jump in 1980 and 1990s !

Richard Santos · Jan 2, 2022

iantsai said:
An article from a magazine (source unknown, posted in haohanfw.com BBS by @隼鹰) discusses the capability of INS Vikramaditya and PLANS Shandong operating E-2 size AEW planes.

According to the tonnage and deck size differences of these two aircraft carriers, the cost of operating E-2 size aircraft is different.

In Vikramatidya, the flight deck areas B,D,E,F,J,K all need to be cleaned to keep the taking off and landing operation safe for E-2 size aircrafts. And thereafter the space left to avoid a collision is still very limited: when taking off, the space between the wing of E-2 to the bridge (area H) is less than 2 meters.

In Shandong, the occupation of places which may interfere with the TO/L operations are in area A2 and B.
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it seems the wing tip of E-2 just about clips the island on the Vikramatidya During a take off run. With no positive track enforcement offered by the catapult, there is no way such a precariously take off run could be routinely allowed.

Deino · Jan 2, 2022

Can we stop this IMO useless discussion if a E-2D can launch off the INS Vikramaditya?

By the way via this slightly enhanced image it looks as if the KJ-600 has quite a "boxy" cockpit section ... at least different to most artworks I know.

iantsai · Jan 2, 2022

Richard Santos said:
it seems the wing tip of E-2 just about clips the island on the Vikramatidya During a take off run. With no positive track enforcement offered by the catapult, there is no way such a precariously take off run could be routinely allowed.

Yes, so the authur of the article concluded that even if India could buy E-2 from the US, it's still hard for them to operate in Vikramatidya.

As we can see in google earth, KJ-600 is about the size of E-2.

So if the Navy can solve the problem of taking off (maybe need to take off with less fuel and get refueled in the air, depending on the power output of the engines), it's posdible to deploy KJ-600s in old CV-16 and CV-17.

hkvaryag · Jan 2, 2022

Deino said:
Can we stop this IMO useless discussion if a E-2D can launch off the INS Vikramaditya?

By the way via this slightly enhanced image it looks as if the KJ-600 has quite a "boxy" cockpit section ... at least different to most artworks I know.
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View attachment 80675

An early mock up has shown such feature.

Gloire_bb · Jan 2, 2022

hkvaryag said:
E-2 had been tested taking off through a ski-jump in 1980 and 1990s !

Interesting, i didn't know.
But even then, I won't bet on the crew if there will be an engine out during take-off.

snake65 · Jan 2, 2022

hkvaryag said:
E-2 had been tested taking off through a ski-jump in 1980 and 1990s !

Can you provide a source for actual tests, not just estimates? In 1982 in Patuxent river ski jump tests were carried out with F-14, T-2, AV-8B and F-18. Never heard of E-2C to be tested likewise.

sheogorath · Jan 3, 2022

Deino said:
Can we stop this IMO useless discussion if a E-2D can launch off the INS Vikramaditya?

By the way via this slightly enhanced image it looks as if the KJ-600 has quite a "boxy" cockpit section ... at least different to most artworks I know.
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View attachment 80675

It'd make sense they'd go for a better view from the cockpit which would require bigger windows thus the boxy cockpit frame. By comparisson, the base E-2 plane is a 1950's design, after all, and it shows

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