Kilo subs

Sczepan

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according to german "Marineforum"
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the Nr. 368 Yuanzheng 68 is at her way to China.
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Ein weiteres für die Volksbefreiungsmarine bestimmtes U-Boot der KILO-Klasse hat die Überführung nach China begonnen.

Anfang August verließ das auf der Admiralitätswerft in St. Petersburg gebaute Boot vom Typ KILO-II (Projekt 636) an Deck des Spezialtransportschiffes TAIANKOU die Ostsee. Ein zweites, ebenfalls in St. Petersburg gebautes U-Boot des gleichen Typs soll "vermutlich noch in diesem Jahr" ebenfalls auf den Weg nach Asien geschickt werden.

Mindestens noch drei (möglicherweise fünf) weitere U-Boote dieses Typs, von denen einige auch in Severodwinsk und in Nizhnij Nowgorod gebaut werden, sollen danach noch folgen. Die neuen U-Boote können neben Torpedos sehr wahrscheinlich auch Seeziel-FK Club-S (SS-N-27, Reichweite bis zu 300km) aus ihren jeweils sechs Torpedorohren verschießen. Sie ergänzen die Ende der 90-er Jahre für die PLAN gebauten jeweils zwei Einheiten der KILO-I-Klasse (Projekt 877 EKM) und der KILO-II-Klasse.

In St. Petersburg werden neben den U-Booten bei der Nordwerft auch zwei weitere Zerstörer der SOVREMENNIY-Klasse gebaut. Während eines der Schiffe im April bei einem Brand beschädigt wurde und der Fortgang seiner Fertigstellung seitdem weitgehend unklar bleibt, hat der andere Zerstörer nun in der Östlichen Ostsee mit ersten Probefahrten begonnen. Er soll angeblich im März 2006 abgeliefert werden.

Die beiden in 2002 bestellten Neubauten gehören zu einer für China modifizierten Variante 659-EM dieser Zerstörerklasse. 1999 bzw. 2001 hatte die PLAN bereits zwei SOVREMENNIY der Variante 659-E aus Russland erhalten. Bei diesen handelte es noch nicht um speziell nach den Wünschen der PLAN gebaute Schiffe, sondern um "Fertigbauten" von ursprünglich für die russische Marine vorgesehenen Zerstörern.<


summary translastion:

A new Kilo II sub left "Admiralitätswerft in St. Petersburg" in August 2005, a secound is suspect to follow also this year. Min. 3 - may be 5 subs of these type - should follow after that. The new subs could launch torpedoes and the FK Club-S (SS-N-27).

In St.Petersburg also two SOVREMENNIY destroyers Variante 659-EM where build for China. One of them was damaged by fire, the other one startet sea trials in eastern part of "Ostsee" and should be deliver in March 2006.
 

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Dongfeng

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Well, I don't speak German but I do have a secret weapon--Google translation :cool:

So here is the rough translation of this article:

A further submarine of the Kilo class intended for the people release navy began the transfer to China.

At the beginning of of August left on admiralty the boat of the type Kilo ii (project 636), built in pc. Petersburg, at deck of the special cargo boat TAIANKOU the Baltic Sea. A second, likewise submarine of the same type built in pc. Petersburg is to be likewise sent "probably still in this year" on the way to Asia.

At least still three (possibly five) further submarines of this type, by which some also in Severodwinsk and in Nizhnij Nowgorod are built, are to still follow thereafter. The new submarines can fire surface target fiber plastic club (Ss-n-27, range up to 300km) from their beside torpedoes very probably also in each case six torpedo pipes. They supplement those end of the 90's for the PLAN built in each case two units of the Kilo i class (project 877 EKM) and the Kilo ii-class.

In pc. Petersburg beside the submarines with norththrown also two the further destroyers the SOVREMENNIY class are built. While one of the ships was damaged in April with a fire and the continuation of its completion since then remains to a large extent unclear, the other destroyer began now in the eastern Baltic Sea with first test runs. It is to be delivered allegedly in March 2006.

The two in 2002 ordered new buildings belong to one for China modified variant 659-em of this destroyer class. 1999 and/or 2001 had already received those to PLAN two SOVREMENNIY the variant 659-E from Russia. With these it concerned not yet around particularly ships built according to the desires the PLAN, but "finished's buildings" from originally destroyers planned for the Russian navy.
 

tphuang

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one got burnt? man, the russians need to stop letting these things happen.
 

MIGleader

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that ship should be in the plans hand no later than 07. as for the kilos, the chinse ordered eight, so that should be inference to how many still need to be built.
 

Neko

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The PLAN isn't skilled enough to keep that many Kilos in working order.

No to mention the number of skilled captain they do not have.

And the price of importing double digit numbers would be immense. It'd be far more cost-efficient to purchase rights to build them themselves, and just buy the weaponry from Russia.
 

Dongfeng

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The PLA Navy will have its obsolete Romeo and Ming subs replaced, but not entirely by Kilo. The indigenous front should also be considered. Song, and possibily Yuan, are likely to be built in double-digit numbers in the coming decade. I will not be surprised to see at least 20~30 Song and 10~20 Yuan or its following class in the PLAN by 2020.
 

Neko

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Dongfeng said:
The PLA Navy will have its obsolete Romeo and Ming subs replaced, but not entirely by Kilo. The indigenous front should also be considered. Song, and possibily Yuan, are likely to be built in double-digit numbers in the coming decade. I will not be surprised to see at least 20~30 Song and 10~20 Yuan or its following class in the PLAN by 2020.


Based on the most recent 10 year plan and whatnot, the dominant sub will be the Song.
 

MIGleader

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the chinense will have very soon: 12 kilo, 10 song, 2 yuan, 3 han, 1 xia, 2 93, and maybe a 94.

i doubt even the Us would be able to susutain 60-80 kilos.
 

Neko

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We wouldn't want to.

Our subs, not the 688/688i, are far more effective.

And with fuel prices as high as they are... nuclear is the only way to go.
 
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