JSDF: Pushovers?

Kampfwagen · Jul 13, 2006

Now, I dont want to cause an inflamatory debate here, so stay off of the flag waving so we all dont get in trouble and look foolish.

But I was reading something describing the F-2 fighter plane (The JSDFAF's version of the american F-16 fighter) and came upon this comment:

The JSDF is pretty much your local police department, but with the automatic rifles, tanks and jet fighters. If some superpower decided to invade, it will have a pretty easy time of it, no matter what the Tokyo-Pentagon propaganda department has you believing.

Is there any truth to this at all? Normaly, I would not agree (in a friendly matter that this person would probably shrivel up at like Vampire at the sight of the cross...Unless you like Blade, then replace 'Cross' with 'Garlic'), but the guy seems to know his stuff. At the same time however, some of his comments are downright inflamatory (and immature...and a little strange). He seems to be your typical "I have a bad attidute because I get wedgied on a daily basis and feel I have to treat people as others treat me (A.K.A Bias Opinionated Asshole...Oh, did I mention he is one of those iritating 'U.S=Warmonger' types?) that exist all over on X-Box Live and The Internet...Sorry, a little venting there. Though on a plus side, he seems to like the PLA.

So anyway: Are the JSDF nothing more than a 'police force' begging to have China, India or whoever else bowl them over? Or am I correct in my beliefs that this guy is a pompus jackass and a good portion of everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt?

Again, despite what I may have just typed, keep it to the military sense. I dont want to have my question unanswered because someone decides to play political activist/devil's advocate.

Gollevainen · Jul 13, 2006

You had point there, lets not play with fire...

But to teterm wheter this guy is right or wrong is bit hard based on single comment, but based on that comment, I quess he doesen't have the slightest glue what he is talking about.

World have changed (someones tough haven't realized this) Nothing isen't as it use to be, not even wars. There is no longer any realistic scenario where some country would attack towards other country in pure conventional "lets invade that country" other that ofcourse one rather big country doing it against lot smaller countryes but we wont count that do we?

So someone attacking to a country of Japans size is just way out there...

But lets pretend that it could happen and see what we find...

I've presonaly have been serving in army with same concept as in Japans SDF and without any boasting (

) I can assure you that no superpower can invade our country without taking unacceptable penalties. It has been tryed and failed a few times. JSDF is far larger than our defenceforce and it has a brahces that almoust nonexist in our army. It's technological standart is propaply the seccond best in the whole wolrd. It's geographial situation added with over 100 million inhabitants, strong economical strenght and industrial base pretty much closes the deal. There is no way any force currently existing in the phase of earht that could do it. Japan cannot be invaded, it's army is noway some run-over-thing and the guy making statements like the above clearly hasen't got any ideas of concepts and operational capapilityes of any army...

So the guy is, as you said a jackass...

Deleted member 675 · Jul 13, 2006

Umm, I'm not sure where to begin. That really is a bullsh*t statement. Assuming we're talking about an invasion of Japan, Japan would be able to put up a very good fight I'm sure. It has an excellent navy and a good airforce. My knowledge of the JGSDF is more limited, but they also have good equipment.

China would have a very tough time of it against the JSDF. Its invasion fleet might not even reach the shores of Japan (not in significant enough numbers to pose a threat, anyway).

FreeAsia2000 · Jul 13, 2006

Gollevainen said:
You had point there, lets not play with fire...

But to teterm wheter this guy is right or wrong is bit hard based on single comment, but based on that comment, I quess he doesen't have the slightest glue what he is talking about.

World have changed (someones tough haven't realized this) Nothing isen't as it use to be, not even wars. There is no longer any realistic scenario where some country would attack towards other country in pure conventional "lets invade that country" other that ofcourse one rather big country doing it against lot smaller countryes but we wont count that do we? So someone attacking to a country of Japans size is just way out there...

But lets pretend that it could happen and see what we find...

I've presonaly have been serving in army with same concept as in Japans SDF and without any boasting ( ) I can assure you that no superpower can invade our country without taking unacceptable penalties. It has been tryed and failed a few times. JSDF is far larger than our defenceforce and it has a brahces that almoust nonexist in our army. It's technological standart is propaply the seccond best in the whole wolrd. It's geographial situation added with over 100 million inhabitants, strong economical strenght and industrial base pretty much closes the deal. There is no way any force currently existing in the phase of earht that could do it. Japan cannot be invaded, it's army is noway some run-over-thing and the guy making statements like the above clearly hasen't got any ideas of concepts and operational capapilityes of any army...

So the guy is, as you said a jackass...

Japan has the industrial capability and know how to rapidly change to a full war footing.

It would take Japan no more than 2 weeks to start producing nukes should it wish to do so.

Japan is not like certain middle eastern countries...you know buys billions in arms but dosn't know how to use them

Deleted member 675 · Jul 13, 2006

FreeAsia2000 said:
Japan has the industrial capability and know how to rapidly change to a full war footing.

So do other countries. What's your point?

It would take Japan no more than 2 weeks to start producing nukes should it wish to do so.

I doubt that very much, because I have seen a lot of figures bandied about about Japan producing nuclear weapons. One of them more recently said the same thing, but in 6 months.

Gollevainen · Jul 13, 2006

So do other countries. What's your point?

Freesy and i were just pointing out the Japanese industrial capaplities (in very, very wide restrospect). We all are agreeing that the guy Kampwagen mentioned is simply talking from his ass so lets not seek confrontation from non-existing issues, right?

isthvan · Jul 13, 2006

The JSDF is pretty much your local police department, but with the automatic rifles, tanks and jet fighters. If some superpower decided to invade, it will have a pretty easy time of it, no matter what the Tokyo-Pentagon propaganda department has you believing.

Well this statement is bullshit…

JSDF are probably best armed forces in Asia…
Navy has technologically most advanced fleet in region, ships spend much time at sea and crews are well trained and highly professional….

Air force also has large quantity of modern jets, helicopters and support planes; pilots are probably best trained in Asia, air defenses are quite capable…

JGSDF are relatively small but well equipped and trained, they also gained some experience from peacekeeping mission in Iraq. They are most neglected branch of JSDF but they are still amongst best equipped and trained troops in Asia…

I joust can’t see any current rival that could challenge JSDF. Any fleet in the region would have there asses kicked before they could even reach Japans territorial waters…

bd popeye · Jul 13, 2006

Kampfwagen, can you please post link so that we may read the rest of the article? Thanks!

As for this;

The JSDF is pretty much your local police department, but with the automatic rifles, tanks and jet fighters. If some superpower decided to invade, it will have a pretty easy time of it, no matter what the Tokyo-Pentagon propaganda department has you believing.

Total "BS". My son who is an instructor of advanced sonar technology has had many JMSDF sailors in his class and is very filimar with the workings of the JMSDF. He says that the JMSDF is the second best navy in the world. And in many instances on par with the USN. He says they are "right up there". Based on that whoever wrote that crap needs to go back in his basement and re-think the whole situation....

adeptitus · Jul 13, 2006

Japan's JSDF is defense-oriented not only in doctrine, but also equipment.

If we look at the Japanese Navy's Kong-class destroyer, the ship is not equipped with Tomahawk missiles, because they don't field long-range land-attack missiles. The Harpoon ASMs on Japanese ships are anti-shipping only, and does not have the land-attack upgrade.

The JASDF held "defensive posture" with very strict restrictions up until recently. Up until the 1990s their aircraft were delivered without aerial refuelling capability, and had the air-to-ground systems removed. i.e. the F-4EJ were delivered with ground refuelling port only, and the AN/AJB-7 bombing system was removed.

In the 2000s the restrictions were relaxed somewhat, and some JASDF aircraft had aerial refuelling ports retrofitted, but they don't field a fleet of aerial tankers and it was used during execises with USAF only.

Also, the JASDF aircraft does not deploy air launched cruise missiles, or even LGBs. The only precision strike bombs they have are GCS-1 IR guided bombs, which is generally considered inferior to LGBs.

The JSDF does, however, have very strong anti-shipping capability. Being an island nation, the ocean is their best defense. I seriuosly doubt any nation in East Asia could penatrate JSDF's anti-shipping defenses via conventional means at this time.

swimmerXC · Jul 13, 2006

FuManChu said:
China would have a very tough time of it against the JSDF. Its invasion fleet might not even reach the shores of Japan (not in significant enough numbers to pose a threat, anyway).

Why do you even bother bring China into this discussion? :nono:

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