Japanese have a plan to deal with Chinese new 094 nuclear sub

aikea

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Here is the picture they think what 094 looks like.



I think PLA built this sub as a counter measure to American nuke-sub, but Japanese seems get a bit anxious about it. One Japanese media said Chinese has successfully tested a the JL-2 missile which has a range of 8000km to 12000km in March 2005.

Japanese also critise Chinese for aiming hundreds of ballistic missile at them. I don't know when PLA has deployed so many missiles.
 

Violet Oboe

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Most japanese are simply still convinced that 台湾 is a part of their righteous empire and so they perceive the missiles aimed at Taiwan are aimed indeed at Japan too!:roll: (Well, in times when taiwanese students have to learn in school that the japanese were only benevolent masters who furthered the social, economic and cultural development of the backward taiwanese in a noble and selfless manner, more and more japanese are of course encouraged in their reactionary attitude.:mad: )

But with irony mode off: Probably all IRBM, SLBM and cruise missiles PLA is able to employ against targets in Japan number certainly in the hundreds. Although the number of nuclear tipped systems is much lower and the japanese are typically oblivious to the fact that they allow the US deploying nuclear weapons aimed at China on bases on their soil. Additionally the coming deployment of US ABM systems in Japan is a confrontational step against China (forget all that jibberish about North Korea!, it is like kicking the dog but taking aim at the dragon).

P.S.: Interesting pic aikea, are the details about type 094 real or mere speculation? The few pics probably depicting the first 094 seem to differ substantially from the japanese artwork. I would assume the whole thing is not very reliable.
 

ying1978

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You don't need a 12000 km ranged missile to hit Tokyo or even Hokkaido. I believe China has plenty of land based IRBM capable of doing just that. The 094s were primarily developed as a deterrent and second strike platform against the US West coast.
 

adeptitus

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Um...

The Japanese Navy has excellent ASW capability. But if the 094 was to be deployed against Japan, it doesn't need to be anywhere near Japan's waters to launch its SLBM's. Heck they can be launched all the way from South China Sea and still reach all of Japan, from Okinawa to Hokkaido.

Where the Japanese Navy would come in play is if the PLAN deploy its sub across Japanese waters to reach Central or Eastern US mainland. This is assuming the JL-2's range is 8,000 km only.

If you want to be a jerk about it, build a pack of SSBN's and send a few to surface and cruise around for everyone to see ("hello world"). You won't win any 'hearts and minds' but the publicity value itself will drive the other side nuts.
 

Pointblank

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Um...

The Japanese Navy has excellent ASW capability. But if the 094 was to be deployed against Japan, it doesn't need to be anywhere near Japan's waters to launch its SLBM's. Heck they can be launched all the way from South China Sea and still reach all of Japan, from Okinawa to Hokkaido.

Where the Japanese Navy would come in play is if the PLAN deploy its sub across Japanese waters to reach Central or Eastern US mainland. This is assuming the JL-2's range is 8,000 km only.

If you want to be a jerk about it, build a pack of SSBN's and send a few to surface and cruise around for everyone to see ("hello world"). You won't win any 'hearts and minds' but the publicity value itself will drive the other side nuts.
Heck, the Chinese can launch those missiles from harbour, no need to even be out at sea.

I wonder if the design is sucessful, the Chinese would think about using the Type 94 design as a SSGN, packing a large number of cruise missiles? It will definitely enhance Chinese power projection capabilities, and turn the platform into a potent land attack submarine.
 

bd popeye

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Heck, the Chinese can launch those missiles from harbour, no need to even be out at sea.

I wonder if the design is sucessful, the Chinese would think about using the Type 94 design as a SSGN, packing a large number of cruise missiles? It will definitely enhance Chinese power projection capabilities, and turn the platform into a potent land attack submarine.
Oh really?:confused: He said qiuzacally...

That statement is a lot easier said than done. You just can't pack a bunch of cruise missiles in an SSBN..an unproven SSBN at that and make it a cruise missile packin' SSGN. It took a two year re-fit to transition the USS Oho from an SSBN to SSGN. And that was after years of R & D. It takes time to do things correctly.

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Pointblank

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Oh really?:confused: He said qiuzacally...

That statement is a lot easier said than done. You just can't pack a bunch of cruise missiles in an SSBN..an unproven SSBN at that and make it a cruise missile packin' SSGN. It took a two year re-fit to transition the USS Oho from an SSBN to SSGN. And that was after years of R & D. It takes time to do things correctly.

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Hence my qualifier word of 'if'. That implies testing, usage, and evaluation.
 

BLUEJACKET

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They already have SSNs/SSKs/DDGs/H-6s as
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The
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is expected to be armed with 533mm and 650mm torpedo tubes which can launch Russian or indigenous wire-, acoustic, and wave-homing torpedoes as well as anti-ship and land attack cruise missiles. The capability to launch the land-attack cruise missile (LACM) would enable the PLA Navy to have limited global naval power projection for either nuclear or non-nuclear weapons.
China has test-fired a new land attack cruise missile (LACM) designated Dong Hai-10 (DH-10), or East China Sea-10.
A US defence source identified the DH-10 as a ground-launched second-generation LACM with a range of more than 1,500km. He said it is likely to be equipped with an integrated inertial navigation system/Global Positioning System, supplemented by a terrain contour mapping system and digital scene-matching terminal-homing system able to provide a circular error probable (CEP) of 10m.
China is also expected to field a second LACM within the next few years. The Ying Ji-63 (YJ-63), or Strike Eagle-63, is described by the source as a first-generation LACM with a range of 400-500km and the ability to carry a 500kg high explosive warhead at a speed of Mach 0.68. The missile is believed to be fitted with combined inertial and GPS mid-course guidance, plus some form of electro-optical terminal guidance. The latter is expected to provide a CEP of 10-15m, but it will probably be limited by weather.
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Regarding conversions, they may install VLS for the SLCMs in 094 now being built, or convert their 1st SSBN
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to SSGN and/or conventional SLBM/platform. In fact, the
the Wuhan 351
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-so there is some experience gained in conversions already!
 
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FuManChu

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I think PLA built this sub as a counter measure to American nuke-sub, but Japanese seems get a bit anxious about it.
You mean part of the Japanese media may find it worthwhile commenting on. I haven't read anything from the Japanese government to suggest this is a special threat.

Additionally the coming deployment of US ABM systems in Japan is a confrontational step against China (forget all that jibberish about North Korea!, it is like kicking the dog but taking aim at the dragon).
BUZZ, wrong answer. It has everything to do with North Korea and is not aimed at China. You can whinge about the US, but I'm not sure how a non-nuclear country like Japan having a means (in theory) of protecting itself against missiles is confrontational.
 

Kongo

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Additionally the coming deployment of US ABM systems in Japan is a confrontational step against China (forget all that jibberish about North Korea!, it is like kicking the dog but taking aim at the dragon).
Violet obviously believes that China has no credibility and is lying through its teeth when it spouts its "peaceful rise" propoganda. How else would protecting itself against China be confrontational unless he believes China to be a hegemonic power intent on using its military to coerce or even invade its neighbours?

Oh, by the way, by the same measure, I believe that he also believes China is being confrontational with the USA, since the PLAN is gearing itself to counter the USN. Hence he supports the neo-con right wingers who drums up the China threat.
 
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