J-XY next generation carrier-borne fighter


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so let me sum up, what you said is that UCAV is going to be so advanced in the next 15 years and been able to replace the manned fighter?

Well, yes and no. Basically I agree there might be 600+ J-20 in the future. but been working with machine learning or so-called "AI", for a few years, it's still very difficult for me to imagine UAV could completely replace manned jet in only 15 years. At best it will be like many J-20s/F-35s/Su-57s or even large stealth aircraft (with the shape like B2) fly alone with a lot of drones, and that's exactly what China/US/Russia is developing at the moment. Thus for me, a stealth fighter will still be able to play a pretty crucial role as a data center and decision-maker in the front line network, therefore as long as Chinese want to extend their reach beyond 1-2 island chain (which I personally believe they definitely wish to and have already been working so hard on it), they need a J-XY.

By saying 20/50 years, I was only trying to emphasis the PLAN's ambition for a blue water navy. So if they could operate that an aircraft carrier group far away from the mainland in the 10-15 years, I think J-XY is a very economical cost for them to pay.

Also, it gives me the impression that you think China can't develop a 5th gen carrier-borne fighter and other types of equipment like a next-gen fighter at the same time? Well, let's just say this, it's almost 2020, not 90s anymore, like the US, China is now able to R&D so many toys at the same time without picking an "important priorities". Probably not as hyper as YF-22 vs YF-23 or X-35 vs X-32, but just recall what they show off in the UAV thread recently, it is pretty impressive that so many institutions have the resources to present their own work.
Look at the requirements for each type of mission.

For land attack, surveillance and air to air missions, I definitely think UCAVs will be better than manned fighters.

But for antiship missions and overall C&C, it may be better to have a human in the loop. But that may not be the case.

So the best solution may be drone fighters/bombers with overall direction from an AWACs or manned fighter.

You don't need that many manned aircraft then, say

China can develop the JH-Y, but even a J-20 derivative would still cost a bare minimum of $2B. But is it worth it?

It's good to see so many concepts being researched, because the competition forces everyone to work harder to justify their proposals.
 

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Can anyone help me out and explain ...?? Please?!

This was posted at the PDF concerning the future naval fighter/FC-31 development, but the translation leaves more questions than answers...



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So, I'm surprised, why "wind-tunnel model testing should continue even after the first prototype was built" ... and WAS built means, it is already finished?
 

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Can anyone help me out and explain ...?? Please?!

This was posted at the PDF concerning the future naval fighter/FC-31 development, but the translation leaves more questions than answers...



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So, I'm surprised, why "wind-tunnel model testing should continue even after the first prototype was built" ... and WAS built means, it is already finished?
IMO it probably isn't abnormal for an aircraft that has been built, flown or even entered service for a number of years to still be tested in wind tunnels. There are certain things you can simulate in a wind tunnel which is more difficult for an aircraft to simulate in real life or to simulate things in a wind tunnel before testing it in real life on an aircraft.


Anyway the two posts are saying:

first post: the carrier based fighter from northern institute (601 presumably) will appear soon (or even "imminently). He says Yankee and his people/sources have seen the wind tunnel model

second post: he's saying his source of info was under the impression that the project was "slow" because he only saw the wind tunnel model, but then was later informed that the wind tunnel model is being continually tested and will still be tested after the prototype is built. And to not read too much into the fact that there is a wind tunnel model (presumably in terms of when it will enter service/how far along development it is)

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That said I'm not aware of this guy's reputation.
 

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What do you think .... J-35 coming soon or am I again to impatient?


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The mission of military aircraft is urgent, the important research and development mission of AVIC Shenyang this year. AVIC Shenyang University attaches great importance to the establishment of plans, on-site trial guarantees, and comprehensive guarantees for trial operations. (China Aviation News)
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What do you think .... J-35 coming soon or am I again to impatient?


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Could someone fluent in Chinese do a quick summary? From the auto-translation it seems that the development of this military aircraft will reach a milestone this year but it's not known what milestone that would be (correct if wrong).

Of course, there's probably a lot of guessing and "deciphering" involved. But there seems to be more and more "rumors" of this project in recent months.
 

Jono

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the headline of the article says " fighting along 2 lines ( or 2 fronts ), turning danger/crisis into opportunity ".
the article is found in the " China Aviation News ".
 

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The specific part that is of interest in the article is obviously this paragraph:

"某型飞机任务节点紧迫,是沈飞公司今年重要研制任务。沈阳所高度重视, 策划成立现场试制保障团队,全力保障沈飞试制工作。项目副总师郑伟春节假期坚持现场值班,闭环处理紧急问题。项目专业人员节后全面复工,组织开展设计解答、ECO/ECP的发出、试验件协调、各车间和部装跟产等工作,每周三次派人参加现场工作组会议,及时传递试制保障需求,保证部装工作按时交付。"

Specifically, the first sentence, which describes a "certain type of aircraft/specific aircraft" (mou xing fei ji) as an important "development task/project" for this year.

We can of course only infer what specific aircraft it could mean, but given this is SAC there are only a handful of candidates that we know of..
 

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