J-XY - maybe J-35 - next generation carrier-borne fighter


kent

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I spy another carrier at the test site!

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old picture,001A or 002(constructing in Dalian nowadays)model ,zoom up,you can see the two dark spots in the higher place (two AESA radars in the front of island‘s top),one wider dark spot(double deck windows),and the sky-jump
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As soon as I saw that ski jump I knew it's a fake! :D:D

To admit - even I saw this too - I was simply not sure this was really still the ramp? I thought that white area is not the ramp anymore but the flat white extension.

Anyway ... indeed my fault and a huge blame. :(
 

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"Key points: Shenyang won the winning ribbon carrier machine. Rhombic chicken, foldable main wing, double hair WS19. Head and tail like 20, chicken wings to enlarge the area, the main wing and the tail can be folded, DSi Inlet, supersonic cruising capacity of not less than half an hour. Basically in the 30 ton level. In fact, it's a 31 enlarged version."
划重点:沈阳中标丝带舰载机。菱形鸡头,可折叠主翼,双发WS19 。头和尾像歼20,鸡翼面积进行放大,主翼和尾翼可以折叠,DSI进气道,超音速巡航能力不低于半个小时。基本上在30吨级左右。其实就是31的放大版。

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Does it say there are canards (chicken wings)? How does "head and tail like J-20" and (possibly) canards go with enlarged FC-31?
 
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The part I don't understand is the timing. If the new jet is optimized for ski-jump, it is near sighted. If it is optimized for catapult, it is too early. For both? it is a waste.
 

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The part I don't understand is the timing. If the new jet is optimized for ski-jump, it is near sighted. If it is optimized for catapult, it is too early. For both? it is a waste.
Says who? It will take at least 5 years before this plane will reach the same stage as the J-20 is now. And according to the rumors, construction has began of the 3rd carrier with catapult. That will take a few years for it to be launched and commissioned.
 
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The part I don't understand is the timing. If the new jet is optimized for ski-jump, it is near sighted. If it is optimized for catapult, it is too early. For both? it is a waste.
Even if PLAN were able to commission catapult based carriers within the next 5 years it’s not like 001 and 002 are going anywhere. They’ll be in operation for a while, so interoperability with ski jumps isn’t an unusual consideration for a future carrier fighter. That said, canards seem a bit extraneous when they might have been able to get the same benefit with TVC. If this rumor is real, I wouldn’t be surprised if the canards are for an underpowered version in the event that the WS-19 isn’t ready before the rest of the plane is, and get deleted in a future version with better engines.
 
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"Key points: Shenyang won the winning ribbon carrier machine. Rhombic chicken, foldable main wing, double hair WS19. Head and tail like 20, chicken wings to enlarge the area, the main wing and the tail can be folded, DSi Inlet, supersonic cruising capacity of not less than half an hour. Basically in the 30 ton level. In fact, it's a 31 enlarged version."
划重点:沈阳中标丝带舰载机。菱形鸡头,可折叠主翼,双发WS19 。头和尾像歼20,鸡翼面积进行放大,主翼和尾翼可以折叠,DSI进气道,超音速巡航能力不低于半个小时。基本上在30吨级左右。其实就是31的放大版。

(The post contained/quoted another post that is now deleted. If anyone saw it, let us know what it said.)
Does it say there are canards (chicken wings)? How does "head and tail like J-20" and (possibly) canards go with enlarged FC-31?
菱形鸡头 is a troll version of 菱形机头. It just means it has the same chiselled look of all 5th-gen aircraft/proposals sans Su-57.

鸡翼 is also a troll version of 机翼, meaning wings.

There is no indication of canards in the post. He says the front and back is similar to the J-20 so I'm assuming the back has the dual stings containing various electronics like the J-20.
 

latenlazy

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菱形鸡头 is a troll version of 菱形机头. It just means it has the same chiselled look of all 5th-gen aircraft/proposals sans Su-57.

鸡翼 is also a troll version of 机翼, meaning wings.

There is no indication of canards in the post. He says the front and back is similar to the J-20 so I'm assuming the back has the dual stings containing various electronics like the J-20.
Man, I totally failed. I misread 鸡翼 as 鸭翼 -_-
 

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Even if PLAN were able to commission catapult based carriers within the next 5 years it’s not like 001 and 002 are going anywhere. They’ll be in operation for a while, so interoperability with ski jumps isn’t an unusual consideration for a future carrier fighter. That said, canards seem a bit extraneous when they might have been able to get the same benefit with TVC. If this rumor is real, I wouldn’t be surprised if the canards are for an underpowered version in the event that the WS-19 isn’t ready before the rest of the plane is, and get deleted in a future version with better engines.
I understand it is not relevant to the discussion. But just to respond to the comment on canards. My read is canards will remain a Yang Wei-specific feature, or from the chief designer tree of Song (like the coach tree in pro sports). They are not a feature to compensate for something, like the small canard on Su-30MKIs, but an integral part of the overall aerodynamic and therefore engraved in the flight control software. By removing the canards they need to move the wings forward, and that is a complete redesign.
 

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