J-15 Carrier Multirole Fighter thread


ougoah

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IMO, The J-15 is the most beautiful Naval aircraft. Can't wait to see it fully loaded out and taking off from a catobar carrier.
The Tomcat is a looker too and the perfect fleet defence and long range multirole fighter. The timing of the Soviet Union's collapse and rise of China meant the USN were asked to tighten its belt with F-18s until the next generation arrived. The Tomcat if modernised, would be more than a match for any modern flanker. Swept wings mean the best of all worlds (except costs and maintenance complexity) and they could install F-135s on an upgraded build! Imagine the radar and electronic power on such a thing with two F-135s. I think this is why PLAN insisted on avoiding smaller fighters like J-10 and Mig-29 even if they are more suited to the first two smaller carriers. Just doesn't have that raw power in every domain (except stealth). I guess the Su-33 prototype was more available and definitely a familiar platform.

Good to see PLAN continue with the J-15 in newer upgraded variants. They should honestly continue developing it into dedicated EW variants and field those alongside J-35 on new CATOBAR carriers.
 

ougoah

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The big problem is that tomcat is not stealthy. For that same reason, china needs a more modern plane than j-15.
I still see a lot of utility in something like a modernised J-15 and dedicated EW. J-35 will have shorter range and payload compared to J-15s. J-35s also will not be able to carry any long ranged A2A missiles that are designed to target tankers, AWACS, and larger aircraft like bombers. Similar to what the Phoenix was designed to do against Soviet bombers with air launched anti-ship missiles. There really isn't much preventing a flanker from receiving serious electronics upgrades to the point they approach dedicated 5th gen designs which took those electronics in mind from the ground up. The only downside is stealth but it makes up for that in providing utility elsewhere; range, payload, and greater range of ordinance available for carry. To be honest stealthy 5th gens are very limited in what they are tasked to do - either air superiority force multipliers or very limited strike tasks (tiny bays = 2x bombs etc).

Consider also how many nations have stealth naval aircraft for PLAN to have an absolute uncompromising need for huge fleets of J-35. India won't for decades and they dream about blocking PLAN from Indian Ocean access.
 

Richard Santos

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Rafale is at least somewhat stealthy From the front quarter, almost certainly substantially more so than F-18, J-16/Su-33 and MiG-29.

The biggest Operational advantage the Chinese could have gained using primarily J-16/Su-33 is a potentially massive Unrefuelled range that practical truly stealthy carrier aircraft, or any Other existing carrier aircraft, will likely be unable to match. So I think strategically it is more important for the Chinese navy to deploy catobar carriers, AEW aircraft, integration with satellite and other reconnaissance platforms, with J-16 then it might first appear.

Also, if a navy deploys a mix of truly stealthy and unstealthy aircraft from carrier decks, then j-16/Su-33 would have another advantage which would only have been shared by the now defunct F-14. That is it is a very large aircraft able to accommodate a very large and powerful radar, far larger than f-18. Rafale and MiG-29 can handle. Collaboration between non-stealthy tactical aircraft with very powerful radar and all-aspect stealthy Aircraft is probably the way to go in the next 10-20 years.
 
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