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J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread
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Brumby
Major
I would like to pick up on BD's comment. We all suspect that the J-15 likely will have load limitation issues because the launch is not cat assisted. The debate IMO isn't about proving what is its imitation threshold.because we simply don't have enough data to make any determination and the PLAN is not going to volunteer that information. However pictures do tell us how far the limitation is being pushed in training. After all, 7 years have lapsed and it is reasonable to ask where are the pictures beyond photo op. As it is often said "train like you fight and fight like you train".With the launch of CV-17, I am seeing increasing rhetoric about China using its carrier aviation to dominate the SCS. In my view, you don't dominate by flying your J-15s with clean configuration. Whether the workaround is to launch with limited fuel and to top up with buddy refueling, it would be part of the training. If that is the case, we should be seeing some kind of weapons load out both in launch and return.
If you are taking off and landing with two YJ-83s, I would say you have a combined weapons weight of at least 1400 kg, with each YJ-83 around 700kg.
PL-8 would be 115kg each.
PL-12, never found its weight figure. But AMRAAM is about 152kg, R-77 is about 175kg and R-77-1 is about 190kg.
YJ-91, I never found its weight figure, but Kh-31 is about 600kg.
Safe to say, this will cover a routine layout of two MRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs, and its possible to go 4 MRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs. A layout of two YJ-91 and two SRAAMs is also possible This can also support an EW configuration like J-15D.
The fire control system of this thing seems capable than the PLANAF Su-30MK2, probably the subsystem from the JH-7A stitched to the J-11B radar.
PL-8 would be 115kg each.
PL-12, never found its weight figure. But AMRAAM is about 152kg, R-77 is about 175kg and R-77-1 is about 190kg.
YJ-91, I never found its weight figure, but Kh-31 is about 600kg.
Safe to say, this will cover a routine layout of two MRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs, and its possible to go 4 MRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs. A layout of two YJ-91 and two SRAAMs is also possible This can also support an EW configuration like J-15D.
The fire control system of this thing seems capable than the PLANAF Su-30MK2, probably the subsystem from the JH-7A stitched to the J-11B radar.
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I understand we are having a hard time pinning the actual fuel and armament load that can be carried by J15. It would be easier to first consider what is the Thrust/Tow ratio that is allowed while launching from fore and aft positions.
In the video 0:58, the J15 took off from extended position of 190m in 7 seconds, achieving approximate acceleration of 8m/s² and velocity of 200 kmph off the jump.
(Su33 stall speed is about 250kmph). Since the ski jump is angled at about 14°, Horizontal V is 190kmph and Vertical V is 50kmph. Vertical V is used as a safety against sink rate until target lift is achieved.
Considering rolling resistance and drag to be nominally about 10% at lower speeds, T/W is about 0.9. If thrust is assumed to be 26 tons, then TOW is 29 tons which means its carrying a full tank of gas with 2xMraam + 2xSraam.
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For the first time the J-15D prototype (?) was spotted in grey and with a red serial number at Huangdicun. Would be interesting to know that number and also what's the current status of the whole J-15D/J-16D program!? (Image via )
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Could be a indication batch 3 is under way ?
Hm, we had gray plaaf J-15 painted planes before, which were prototypes. Indeed, the one on the image seems to have something red underneath the cockpit, at the very place where single seater J15 prototypes had their numbers written in red. So this MAY be a red number, indicating a prototype, rather than a regular plane, despite the otherwise gray color.
Intrepid
Major
Old image. The J-15 in front has the three-digit-number '123' on its flap.