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Xizor

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That is your take. India will be covered by Russian airdefence system. Glonass has station in South India.

India bought Five regiments. Three will be deployed to Pakistan border and Two to China border. It doesn't cover India but critical airspaces.

India has developed its own SatNAV system that it intends to deploy much like Japan's QZSS. As per National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) 2020, United States Secretary of Defense in consultation with Director of National Intelligence will designate NavIC, Galileo and QZSS as allied navigational satellite system.
 

Xizor

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Back to Topic.
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(I'm brazenly copy pasting an entire discussion thread as there is nothing i can add of value )

India’s NavIC is riddled with problems. Atomic clocks on some of the satellites have failed. ISRO is opaque about the malfunctions. Researchers have found that it can be easily jammed with household WiFi signals causing severe degradation of signal strength. Nobody is really using the system, all the talk has been about fishing boats carrying the receivers.
India started developing after GPS was denied during Kargil War with Pakistan in 1999. More recently India’s (More like Russia’s) cruise missile, BrahMos, veered off target by 7 Kms as GPS signals were cut off mid flight.

Atomic clocks failing (4 satellites have malfunctioning clocks out of 7):
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In one article, ISRO shared that they heaved a sigh of relief every morning on seeing that IRNSS satellites were functioning normally. ISRO is trying to replace the clocks from a Swiss manufacturer with their own. Same clocks failed on Galileo, but causes were different.

BrahMos cruise missile failure:
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WiFi jamming:
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India is now trying to be part of Galileo project:
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pmc

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considering the quantity and airspace that radar scans its all India. India will develop what it can just like China. but it does not change it will still need Russia cooperation in various fields. slight upgrade in helicopter. new pilot training needed. so what happens to that decades of experience with Mi-171? you still not blaming India for failure to obsorb technology
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Thirteen civilians were among 14 people killed in an armed forces' operation against extremists gone wrong in Nagaland’s Mon district on Saturday evening.

The Army’s 3 Corps headquartered on the outskirts of the State’s Dimapur town issued a statement on Sunday, owning responsibility for the killing of the civilians and assuring “appropriate action”. The Nagaland Government has ordered a high-level probe into the incident by a Special Investigation Team (SIT).

“Based on credible intelligence of likely movement of insurgents, a specific operation was planned to be conducted in the area of Tiru, Mon district, Nagaland. The incident and its aftermath are deeply regretted,” the statement said.

“The cause of the unfortunate loss of lives is being investigated at the highest level and appropriate action will be taken as per the course of law,” it said, adding that a few soldiers were severely injured and one soldier succumbed to his injuries.
 

siegecrossbow

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What does "... importance of the word ship for the Navy ..." mean?

Not sure. Maybe we should ask the man himself :).


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Thirteen civilians were among 14 people killed in an armed forces' operation against extremists gone wrong in Nagaland’s Mon district on Saturday evening.

The Army’s 3 Corps headquartered on the outskirts of the State’s Dimapur town issued a statement on Sunday, owning responsibility for the killing of the civilians and assuring “appropriate action”. The Nagaland Government has ordered a high-level probe into the incident by a Special Investigation Team (SIT).

“Based on credible intelligence of likely movement of insurgents, a specific operation was planned to be conducted in the area of Tiru, Mon district, Nagaland. The incident and its aftermath are deeply regretted,” the statement said.

“The cause of the unfortunate loss of lives is being investigated at the highest level and appropriate action will be taken as per the course of law,” it said, adding that a few soldiers were severely injured and one soldier succumbed to his injuries.
You mean sit on it till it vanishes from the news cycle?
 

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Thirteen civilians were among 14 people killed in an armed forces' operation against extremists gone wrong in Nagaland’s Mon district on Saturday evening.

The Army’s 3 Corps headquartered on the outskirts of the State’s Dimapur town issued a statement on Sunday, owning responsibility for the killing of the civilians and assuring “appropriate action”. The Nagaland Government has ordered a high-level probe into the incident by a Special Investigation Team (SIT).

“Based on credible intelligence of likely movement of insurgents, a specific operation was planned to be conducted in the area of Tiru, Mon district, Nagaland. The incident and its aftermath are deeply regretted,” the statement said.

“The cause of the unfortunate loss of lives is being investigated at the highest level and appropriate action will be taken as per the course of law,” it said, adding that a few soldiers were severely injured and one soldier succumbed to his injuries.
That's just......I don't even know what to say tbh. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Xizor

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" India's Recently-Imported S-400 Air Defence System Is Overhyped and Overrated " opinion article

The Indian media has a tendency to dub any new military acquisition by the country as something with the power to steamroll the enemy – a claim which is untrue and can create a false sense of confidence.


The
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air defence system that India recently imported from Russia has been hailed in the Indian media as the ‘
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‘, a ‘
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‘, a
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(infallible divine weapon of Hindu mythology) and a weapon which makes Pakistan and China
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with fright. In view of such hyperbolic descriptions, it is imperative that we examine the weapon system’s capabilities threadbare from a technical perspective, lest our leaders become victims of their own rhetoric and launch some military misadventure that could prove costly.
The cost of the system has been described as
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,
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or
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billion (approximately Rs. 38,000-41,000 crore), depending on the source. For this article, we will ignore the additional ‘
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‘ of this purchase in terms of possible sanctions from the US under CAATSA (Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act).

Limitations and weaknesses of the S-400 system

The most comprehensive and authentic evaluation of the S-400 system has been made by the
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(Totalförsvarets forskningsinstitut) in its 116-page report titled ‘
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’ (A2/AD is jargon for anti-access/area denial). It concludes that its capabilities in general and its capability to counter counter-measures in particular are overrated. The study points out that the system creates much smaller A2/AD bubbles than is often assumed and a number of countermeasures are possible.
The FOI says that there are inherent problems in acquiring manoeuvring objects such as cruise missiles and fighter aircraft that are flying low or are hugging the terrain and this limits the effective range of the S-400. Citing the research of Christofer Berglund et al, it concludes that against such targets, its effective range may be as little as 20-35 km, or even less depending on the terrain.


Comparison with the American Patriot system

India had chosen the Russian S-400 over the Patriot (PAC-3) offered by the USA. Given the history of lack of transparency in defence matters in India, we do not know the grounds on which this selection/rejection was made.
Missile Threat is categorical in stating that the S-400’s mission set and capabilities are roughly comparable to the American Patriot system. The Patriot SAM has been in service since 1984 and has been extensively investigated by independent researchers who found the claims exaggerated.

The US had claimed their Patriots had intercepted about 40% of the Scud missiles Iraq had fired at Israel during the war in 1991. However,
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, a celebrated Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter with the New York Times had revealed that, contradicting the claims made by the US army, Moshe Arens, Israel’s Defence Minister in the Gulf War; General Dan Shomron, chief of staff of the Israel Defence Force during the war and Haim Asa, member of an Israeli technical team that had worked with the Patriot missiles during the war, say that one or possibly none of the Scuds was intercepted by the Patriots.
MIT professor and former Navy nuclear weapons analyst
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had concluded that Patriot performance in Desert Storm “was an almost total failure to intercept quite primitive attacking missiles” and clearly did not prove that strategic missile defences could work.

As recently as December, 2017, Yemen’s Houthi rebels fired a ballistic missile (Burqan-2, a variant of the Scud missile, flying over 900 km) over Riyadh. Max Fisher et al had
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in the New York Times that evidence analysed by a research team of missile experts based mostly at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, California showed the missile’s warhead flew unimpeded over Saudi defences and nearly hit its target, Riyadh’s airport.
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, a missile expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists, disclosed that the PAC-3 was fired five times and all of them missed the missile flying right over them.
When the efficacy of a combat-tested system like the Patriot is doubtful, where does the S-400 stand?
The FOI says that experiences from Syria raise questions about the actual capabilities of such systems in combat, relative to their nominal capabilities. This is endorsed by a recent example.
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, a fellow of the prestigious Globalsecurity.org and a contributor to Small Arms Review, among other such publications, reported that in June, 2021, in the course of the US Army’s Southern European Task Force-Africa (SETAF-AF)-led Africa Lion 2021 exercise, two S-400 batteries were knocked out in simulated strikes in Agadir, Morocco.

The likely price of misplaced confidence

The Indian media has fallen into a habit of hailing every new arms import – be it the Rafale jets, Barak-8 missiles, M-777 howitzers or the like – as something that would steamroll the enemy in no time. This does not happen in real life.
As
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, commentator on politics and public affairs had noted in his book The Nature and Destiny of Man, “Possessing a darkly unconscious sense of his insignificance in the total scheme of things, he seeks to compensate for his insignificance by pretensions of pride.” This is where the roots of jingoism lie. History stands witness; those in positions of power are often consumed by the rhetoric which they have themselves created for fooling the people.

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, researcher at the Centre for Aerospace & Security Studies (CASS), Islamabad in her paper in Air University’s Journal of Indo-Pacific Affairs voices Pakistan’s concerns that this could provide a false sense of security to Indian policy makers and lead them to risk lethal adventures under the presumption that India would be invulnerable to any retaliatory attack. Given that our adversaries are nuclear powers; this may prove to be a disastrous presumption.
 

siegecrossbow

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I don’t think that the issue with S400 is so much that it is overhyped than that it has been played around with by the PLA for a couple of years by now. Same with the Sukhois that make up the backbone of the IAF — China has the most advanced variant (if we discount J-16) in the form of Su-35. No doubt that such knowledge has been conferred to Pakistan sometime before 2019.
 

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