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Sardaukar20

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This article likes to talk about Indian NFU policy and Indian nuclear 'restraint' vis-à-vis China. But then has sentences like this:
During the Galwan crisis, India’s sole nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, was
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as a potential nuclear signal.
If India resorts to sending nuclear signals during a border fist-fight crisis with China, that reflects very poorly on any so-called Indian 'nuclear restraint'. It stinks of insecurity, having to wave the nuclear sabre when there is a border crisis with China going badly.

In any case, India is not in the same league as China wrt its nuclear arsenal. India does not have true thermonuclear weapons, no modern delivery systems, and a questionable ABM program. There is no contest.

The biggest nuclear problem for India is still Pakistan. If India attempts to increase its nuclear stockpile, Pakistan will follow suit. Both of their arsenals are comparable in size. But India would have to split its stockpile to assign them to both China and Pakistan. While Pakistan's stockpile is fully concentrated on India. With China sparing some warheads for India, the nuclear strategic balance is not looking good for India. In the longer term, this situation is likely to worsen as China is quite sure to rapidly expand its nuclear stockpile to counter the US-led anti-China alliance.
 

Temstar

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This article likes to talk about Indian NFU policy and Indian nuclear 'restraint' vis-à-vis China. But then has sentences like this:

If India resorts to sending nuclear signals during a border fist-fight crisis with China, that reflects very poorly on any so-called Indian 'nuclear restraint'. It stinks of insecurity, having to wave the nuclear sabre when there is a border crisis with China going badly.

In any case, India is not in the same league as China wrt its nuclear arsenal. India does not have true thermonuclear weapons, no modern delivery systems, and a questionable ABM program. There is no contest.

The biggest nuclear problem for India is still Pakistan. If India attempts to increase its nuclear stockpile, Pakistan will follow suit. Both of their arsenals are comparable in size. But India would have to split its stockpile to assign them to both China and Pakistan. While Pakistan's stockpile is fully concentrated on India. With China sparing some warheads for India, the nuclear strategic balance is not looking good for India. In the longer term, this situation is likely to worsen as China is quite sure to rapidly expand its nuclear stockpile to counter the US-led anti-China alliance.
India has ABM? Really?

China's CNMD (again, great name) may not be sufficient to blunt a nuclear attack from the US (or Russia, however unlikely), but I bet it could do a number against a strike from India. Among the remaining nuclear states India is the one most likely to press the red button and I bet CNMD has given considerable thought about an attack from that direction.
 

Sardaukar20

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India has ABM? Really?
India mentioned that it has an ABM program consisting of the PAD and AAD missile, and PDV missile in future. According to India, their ABM is touted to be able to intercept BM launched 2500km away currently. In future it is touted to be able to intercept missiles launched 5000km away. India also did an ASAT test back in 2019.

I think that it is an overhyped ABM program. But we should all nevertheless assume, that India should have at least some basic form of ABM as of 2021.

China's CNMD (again, great name) may not be sufficient to blunt a nuclear attack from the US (or Russia, however unlikely), but I bet it could do a number against a strike from India. Among the remaining nuclear states India is the one most likely to press the red button and I bet CNMD has given considerable thought about an attack from that direction.
Yes, it is likely that China's own CNMD can intercept Indian Agni missiles relatively well. Because India would definitely target the Chinese major cities like Beijing, Shanghai, etc on the Eastern side of China, their missiles are vulnerable to boost-phase interception from Chinese ABM systems stationed in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Agreed, among all the nuclear weapons states hostile to China, India is the most unstable one. I too hope that the CNMD is aware of that, and have made the necessary preparations.
 

MrCrazyBoyRavi

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Although Nuclear conflict between India and China is almost non existent in forseable future but India can easily expand its nuclear capacity. Remeber India kept operating aircraft carrier for decades before China even owned one. They could easily fork 10’s of billions if they deem necessary.
 

Sardaukar20

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Despite the bollywood flair/flares, the IAF chief is aware that 2 squadrons of Rafales isn't going to cut it:

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Yeah LOL Bollywood flair/flares indeed.
Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal V.R. Chaudhari Tuesday strongly pitched for 114 Multi Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA), under the Make in India initiative, rather than opting for another 36 Rafale fighter jets.
He further argued that despite all the planned acquisition, including that of 114 MRFA, 83 Light Combat Aircraft Mk1A and the indigenous 5th generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), the IAF will not be able to meet its target of 42 squadrons over the next 10-15 years.
ACM Chaudhari comments come exactly a year after his predecessor, Air Chief Marshal R.K.S. Bhadauria, had
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officially that the decision to buy two more squadrons of Rafale fighter jets was under consideration.
Sources in the defence and security establishment said that Rafale is likely to be the front runner even if the MRFA competition is held because the IAF is not looking at having multiple types of aircraft
Even in that one article, they are contradicting themselves. India wants to go towards more Make in India MRFA, but India is also looking to buy more Rafales?

There is a bigger issue here. Basically the previous Air Chief Marshal wanted to buy more Rafales. But the new Air Chief Marshal wants to buy more Make in India jets. How often does India change its Air Chief Marshal? Every year? So it looks like the IAF's procurement plan kinda changes like every year. Well good luck to the IAF, trying to play catchup with the PLAAF.

My guess is that the IAF will eventually buy Rafales again after several years too late. They are gonna wait too long for India's own domestic fighter programs to succeed. If there is any idea how well the MRFA and other India future programs are gonna turn out, just look at their Arjun and Tejas programs.
 

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Yeah LOL Bollywood flair/flares indeed.




Even in that one article, they are contradicting themselves. India wants to go towards more Make in India MRFA, but India is also looking to buy more Rafales?

There is a bigger issue here. Basically the previous Air Chief Marshal wanted to buy more Rafales. But the new Air Chief Marshal wants to buy more Make in India jets. How often does India change its Air Chief Marshal? Every year? So it looks like the IAF's procurement plan kinda changes like every year. Well good luck to the IAF, trying to play catchup with the PLAAF.

My guess is that the IAF will eventually buy Rafales again after several years too late. They are gonna wait too long for India's own domestic fighter programs to succeed. If there is any idea how well the MRFA and other India future programs are gonna turn out, just look at their Arjun and Tejas programs.
India really needs to do something about having so many different types of fighters.

Their maintenance backlog must be horrific having to manage a dozen different spare parts and maintenance processes.

At some point, it will have to take a decision and decidedle divest from its oldest and less capable fighter jets
 

FangYuan

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The logistics and maintenance nightmare is exaggerated. Most likely it is a deliberate act of propaganda with the aim of misleading everyone and making the world underestimate the true power of India.

India has a large number of STEM graduates, they have a GDP of more than 2 trillion and foreign currency reserves of more than 600 billion. That means they have no problem with money and manpower, not to mention India's labor cost is very cheap.
 
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siegecrossbow

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The logistics and maintenance nightmare is exaggerated. Most likely it is a deliberate act of propaganda with the aim of misleading everyone and making the world underestimate the true power of India.

India has a large number of STEM graduates, they have a GDP of more than 2 trillion and foreign currency reserves of more than 600 billion. That means they have no problem with money and manpower, not to mention India's labor cost is very cheap.

I can’t tell if you are being sincere or sarcastic. Such is the power of this thread.
 

badoc

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The logistics and maintenance nightmare is exaggerated. Most likely it is a deliberate act of propaganda with the aim of misleading everyone and making the world underestimate the true power of India.

India has a large number of STEM graduates, they have a GDP of more than 2 trillion and foreign currency reserves of more than 600 billion. That means they have no problem with money and manpower, not to mention India's labor cost is very cheap.
I believe it is not an exaggeration.
Indian GDP of >2 trillion and reserves of 600 billion have to feed 1.3 billion.
Large number of MEDIOCRE STEM graduates while useful in offshoring low end jobs and call centers, but not so much for leading technologies.

International Math Olympiad
1.3 Billion Stronk India at rank 30, even tiny Singapore beats India.
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ACM-ICPC Programming Competition
India with their strong emphasis and focus on IT, being at rank 41 is not exactly Incredible India.

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(2021)
41 Indian Institute of Technology - Madras
41 Indian Institute of Technology - Roorkee

For a real world example, Intel lost its leadership in semiconductor fabrication to TSMC under its Indian engineer.
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Intel fires its Indian-origin chief engineer Murthy Renduchintala for production failures
28 July, 2020
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FangYuan

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There are many people who try to mock India because India buys a lot of weapons from abroad, but they are ignoring the fact that buying weapons from abroad brings many benefits to India and it is not forever. .

India is backward and incompetent, so it tries to buy everything it needs and can. He spared no money, in order to close the gap with the great powers, using the money to address the weakness of the lack of skills, experience and capacity in the local military industry.
For India at present, technology is more important than money, and money can easily be replenished by surpluses from exports.
 

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