HJ-8 ATGM in Syria

Broccoli

Senior Member
Gulf states send new weapons to rebels in Syria and weapons have now arrived. We are probably going get many videos of HJ-8 in action soon.
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[video=youtube;LZrrEXRZLYc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZrrEXRZLYc[/video]
[video=youtube;lJZhFuZfWwY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZhFuZfWwY[/video]
 
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Lion

Senior Member
Those HJ-8 ATGM is most probably from Pakistan army stockpile rather than from China. Pakistan also licensed produced this ATGM which means China has no control of this missile supply to whoever.
 

Broccoli

Senior Member
UAE uses HJ-8 and they have been supporters of FSA. Other option in the list is Sudan what could have been source for the FN-6 MANPADs rebels have used.
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Pakistani Baktar-Shikan does not have that blue line near the end of ATGM tube, but Chinese made HJ-8's has.

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hardware

Banned Idiot
when sudan and UAE decided to armed syrian rebel with chinese made arm.do they get the permission from the chinese government?
back issue of JDW reported that C-801 missile sold to iran do not included the main micro chip, reason, China worry the iranian said will use against saude target that could damage chinese interest.if iranian wanted to use the missile they has to go chinese embassy to get the chip.but according to JDW the iranian manage to find alternative source.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Whose training these Syrian rebels on how to use the HJ-8 ATGM? These things are not easy to use like an RPG. It operates like an AT4 or the FMG-148 Javelin Missile system. Where do they conduct practices and do they use actual rounds or the "dummy" rounds? This stuff is pretty expensive to acquire.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Sorry to my untrained eyes. The missile shown in videos don't look like HJ-8 at all. Does HJ-8 have variant?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
One of the main selling points for Chinese arms is that they come with no strings attached, as such, I doubt Sudan or the UEA would have needed to get Chinese permission for those weapons. Which in turn is probably one of the main reasons why the rebels are getting so much Chinese kit when their Saudi and Gulf backers have plenty of European and US weapons, which would be easier to acquire and supply to the rebels than Chinese kit none of those countries actually use themselves.

However, because this practice is well established and well known, I doubt Assad would find much to fault China for, since he probably has also benefited from some no strings attached Chinese arms himself at some point.

With regards to training, yes, HJ8 missiles are complext pieces of equipment and it takes a bit of training on their maintenance, set up and use, but no more than the kind of training needed to operate FN6s. I would imagine that whoever provided the missiles would have also provided training to the crews, likely out of the country.

At this point, I am no longer shocked at advanced light Chinese weaponry turning up in rebel hands in Syria, as these now seem to be the weapons of choice for foreign powers to supply to the rebels with, to avoid leaving hard evidence of their meldling as would be the case if they supplied western weapons, which are more tightly controlled and tracked after they are sold and delivered. If advanced western weapons started turning up in Syria, it could raise awkward questions.

Mind you, all these videos of Chinese weapons scoring kills in Syria are good advertising for China, and I think western arms manufactures are getting envious, which is why there was so much pressure by the UK and France to lift the arms embargo on Syria so they can supply weapons to Syria, and the US was quick to jump on hat opening. So I fully expect to start seeing western ATGMs, AMRs and other light weapons start turning on in Syria.
 

Broccoli

Senior Member
Sorry to my untrained eyes. The missile shown in videos don't look like HJ-8 at all. Does HJ-8 have variant?

Look at the link and you can see that in one image that tube spits out what is clearly HJ-8 variant.

Missile can be seen flying from rebel launcher.
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Compare it to missile launched by PLA soldier.
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hardware

Banned Idiot
my suspicion is that Chinese government may gave green light to arm rebel, in return for energy investment in saude Arabia.
Hu Chin Tao visit saude Arabia few years ago,that is before arab spring,china is seeking oil exploration in saude,,possible arming the rebel allow the saude to think twice.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
my suspicion is that Chinese government may gave green light to arm rebel, in return for energy investment in saude Arabia.

That's unlikely to be the case, because it might piss off Putin and endanger China's huge new energy deals with Russia.
 
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