CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Dante80

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That is a pretty convincing way to show how massive ULCVs have gotten in the last two decades..
 

Tam

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That is a pretty convincing way to show how massive ULCVs have gotten in the last two decades..

Definitely is.

Its easy for them to grow even bigger, until countries and places started to put limits on their size to fit the port facilities, enter passage ways and canals. Hence terms like Valemax, Chinamax, Panamax, Aframax, Suezmax. Largest box ships are currently limited to 400 meters in length, but they are still increasing the amount of TEU they can put in, from today's 23000 to 24000 (Each TEU means 20 foot container). Before the industry started self regulating, an oil tanker reached 462 meters in length. Compare that to a Nimitz class carrier which is 332 meters in length, the longest carrier is 341 meters going to the USS Enterprise.

I might say these ships we are seeing are 400 meter length, 23000 TEU ships, and these are still not the biggest container ships so far.

In order to mass produce these massive ships, not just box ships but also enormous bulkers for ore and tankers for oil, you are going to need drydocks about 500 meters in length, sometimes 1000 meters if you want to build two at the same time.

The bigger the ship, the more it can load, the lower the cost of the freight. Simple scale economics are driving gargantuan ship sizes.
 

Mirabo

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Radiation shielding around reactor. Hmm..Interesting

What you guys opinion about this?

I don't believe it.

There have been certain individuals who believe that 003 will be nuclear powered, but it isn't a logical evolution for the PLAN carrier program. China does not have experience building or operating the type of large nuclear reactors that you'd need for a 80,000 to 100,000-ton aircraft carrier. We've barely heard anything about a nuclear-powered icebreaker, let alone a nuclear-powered carrier!

We observed that we have consistently underestimated the rate of Chinese naval development, after the stunningly rapid pace of 002's construction. Granted, that was ripping off an old Soviet design. But a nuclear-powered CATOBAR 003 with EMALS, on a schedule to be completed by 2022, is just absurd.
 

Jono

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I don't believe it.

There have been certain individuals who believe that 003 will be nuclear powered, but it isn't a logical evolution for the PLAN carrier program. China does not have experience building or operating the type of large nuclear reactors that you'd need for a 80,000 to 100,000-ton aircraft carrier. We've barely heard anything about a nuclear-powered icebreaker, let alone a nuclear-powered carrier!

We observed that we have consistently underestimated the rate of Chinese naval development, after the stunningly rapid pace of 002's construction. Granted, that was ripping off an old Soviet design. But a nuclear-powered CATOBAR 003 with EMALS, on a schedule to be completed by 2022, is just absurd.
unless the Chinese leadership realizes that time is no longer on their side, and small step incremental progress is no longer viable.
Or they are confident of the technological progress enough to make bold rapid strides.
"But a nuclear-powered CATOBAR 003 with EMALS, on a schedule to be completed by 2022, is just absurd."
I agree this is very atypical of the conservative approach we have seen so far with the Chinese military procurements.
 
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