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Pika

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, PLAN might only build two Type-002 carriers (CV-18 and the next one). Meaning 4 carriers in total is planned for the foreseeable future. Not 6 or 8 as many claimed.

In summary, faced with economic slowdown, technical challenges in nuclear propulsion for carriers, lack of an effective aircraft to operate on carriers, neighbors all acquiring modern SSKs, and of course US, SK, Japan navy and submarine forces to contend with in Pacific, PLAN is cutting back on ambitions.

Another question is if this will translate to a slowdown in other PLAN projects, Type-055, Type-054B, or maybe reduced numbers in Type-075. Also wonder if Type-095 and 096 subs will face slowdown.

Can't edit original post but the source for this article came from SCMP by a fellow name Minnie Chan. Some of you may regard her as an unreliable source. Makes me wonder whether this is an act of disinformation.
 
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Pika

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Irregardless of the veracity of the report listed, the plan from the start was for PLAN to build ONLY two Type-002 carriers. In what way could this be considered a slowdown? (let alone use said info to speculate on other PLAN projects that are moving full steam ahead right now?)
Can't answer your question. Just summarizing the article. The quote in question from the article.

"These decisions would not just affect aircraft carriers, but China’s advanced new destroyers and amphibious assault ships as well."
 

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, PLAN might only build two Type-002 carriers (CV-18 and the next one). Meaning 4 carriers in total is planned for the foreseeable future. Not 6 or 8 as many claimed.

In summary, faced with economic slowdown, technical challenges in nuclear propulsion for carriers, lack of an effective aircraft to operate on carriers, neighbors all acquiring modern SSKs, and of course US, SK, Japan navy and submarine forces to contend with in Pacific, PLAN is cutting back on ambitions.

Another question is if this will translate to a slowdown in other PLAN projects, Type-055, Type-054B, or maybe reduced numbers in Type-075. Also wonder if Type-095 and 096 subs will face slowdown.
this is nothing more than wishfull thinking from China haters, the Chinese economy is suffering from no crisis at all, this is the new norm & it's growing at 6% or more just as the government planned even before the trade war, furthermore China only spends 1.3% on military so they have alot of room to maneuvre, the US calls it's allies who spend less than 2% as free riders, the US considers countries that spend less than 2% to be severly careless about defense, so by NATO standards if China was a member of then China would have been considered as being a free rider.

it is safe to say China will get at the very least 6 CVNs, and after few decades they can easily achieve parity with the US carrier force tonnage wise & numbers wise while still keeping their mitary spending below 2%.
 

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The Diplomat try to speculate based on the above SCMP article.

It saying that the manufacturing of carriers facing issues, and until resolving them they don't plan beyond the third and fourth hull.
 

asif iqbal

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Wow 80,000 to 100,000 tons

nice and also conventionally powered?

with EMALS ?

that would be a first

btw it’s better this is not nuclear powered

because that means

CV-18 and CV-19 have EMALS
then

CVN-20 and CVN-21 are nuclear with EMALS with 100,000+
 

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Taken too afar. I cant discern any detail in the shipyard, except that the main crane has moved forward.

It means that these two picture could be the cross section of the ship.
Possible, but why would they adopt this method of construction? much better to include this section already in the module, instead of having to lift it to the module, if i understood it correctly.

Don't quote Minnie Chan here, please.
Why is that ?
 

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This is not the first time I myself saw this exact dirty media tactic.

First time is back in 2014 during the Ukrainian Euromaidan. That was at a time when the 052D class was just rolling out, and there were tons of news back then saying that the US has successfully pressure the Ukrainians to stop supply gas turbine (GT25000) to China, and thus the 052D will become a failed project in which China will not be able to build them anymore. What happened later, of course, is that the public eventually realized the total bullshit as the 052D kept rolling out.

Second time was at the end the 2016 (beginning of 2017, when China is receiving the first batch of Su-35's) when Pinkov (Kanwa) allegedly wrote an article saying that J-16 development became a total failure and the production seized. The author of the article mocked the Chinese aviation industry for their inability to successfully reverse engineer the Su-30 (this is what they implied J-16 program was about), and speculate that "the Chinese will never be able to copy the Su-35 now that they can't even copy the Su-30" (I am paraphrasing here). What happened later, of course, is that the public forgot about these outlandish bullshit news.

I don't know why these fake media keep doing this. I don't know what purpose it can possibly hope to serve. But if their purpose is only to get public attention, I have to say that they are winning. Because all three of these examples are at perfect timing. These are the reasons:

1. They are all released at a time when it was impossible to deny with available facts. Who (among us regular folks) can be sure at the 2014 and 2016 that what those article says are not possibly true?

2. These topics are something that the people on both sides cares very much about. People who pays attention to China's carrier project (or the J-16 and 052D) either want good news or bad news: the pro-China people is desperate for good news, and the anti-China folks are desperate for bad news.
 
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