Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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KYli

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Tyler said:
The British mostly got AZ vaccine?

China should export more vaccine raw material, thereby breaking this US hoarding.
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AZ almost 70%, Pfizer almost 30%, and some Moderna and J&J.

China exports a ton of raw material to India and Brazil. Did these two countries appreciate China, the answer is clearly no. Don't be a XXXX like the US. But at the same time Don't bend forward being the nice guy.
 
Phead128

Phead128

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I've argued with some Wuhan Lab Conspiracy Theorists.

These are the logical fallacies or wrong assumptions they make:
  • "No evidence of zoonotic leap."
    • Response: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is the first logical fallacy conspiracy theorist make. Just because evidence has yet to be discovered doesn't mean it's permanent conclusion that it will never exist. It took YEARS to discover that Civets were the intermediary host that transmitted the first coronavirus (SARS-CoV-1) back in 2003. Give it more time.
  • "China is Obstructionist. This is a fact"
    • Response: Obstructionism does not imply guilt. Using that logic, US is presumed guilty because it denies access to US Bioweapons Labs under the pretext of "national security" interests. Does that mean US is guilty? No. Also, the WHO investigation team members dispute that China was obstructionist.
  • "China is Presumed Guilty until itself proves it's own innocence:"
    • Response: The Rule of Law in the US judiciary system is "Innocent until proven guilty" and "Burden of Proof lies on the accusers, not the defendant." The defendant is presumed to be innocent until it's proven beyound a reasonable doubt (using evidence) that's it's guilty. In fact, defense can stay absolutely silent entire time, and if the prosector has no evidence, the case is automatically dismissed.
  • "3 Chinese scientists from Wuhan Labs were hospitalized with illness in November, 2019."
    • Response:
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      according to blood serum samples by Italian National Cancer Institute. Ergo, should we investigate Italy?
  • "Lab Leak equally likely to Zoonotic Leap according to Occam's Razor:"
    • Response: Occam's Razor suggests the simplest explanation is likely the correct one. Given the first coronavirus pandemic (SARS-CoV-1) was traced to zoonotic leap (Civet animals), it's also highly likely the second coronavirus pandemic in 2020 (SARS-CoV-2) is similarly traced to zoonotic leap (bats).
 
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supercat

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Phead128 said:
Response: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is the first logical fallacy conspiracy theorist make. Just because evidence has yet to be discovered doesn't mean it's permanent conclusion that it will never exist. It took YEARS to discover that Civets were the intermediary host that transmitted the first coronavirus (SARS-CoV-1) back in 2003. Give it more time.
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Exactly. It took 14 years to find the bat that carries the original SARS virus. As for the intermediate host, China has tested 80,000 wide and domestic animals, all of which is negative for SARS-CoV-2 so far. But it's only a tiny fraction of the animals in China. Far more testings are needed.

Is it suspicious that no animal has been identified as transmitting the virus to humans?​

Outbreak-origin investigations often take years, and some culprits remain unknown. It took 14 years to nail down the origin of the SARS epidemic, which began with a virus in bats that spread to humans, most likely through civets. To date, a complete Ebola virus has never been isolated from an animal in the region where the world’s largest outbreak occurred between 2013 and 2016.

Origin investigations are complicated because outbreaks among animals that aren't the main hosts of a particular virus, such as civets in the case of SARS, are often sporadic. Researchers must find the right animal before it dies or clears the infection. And, even if the animal tests positive, viruses found in saliva, faeces or blood are often degraded, making it difficult to sequence the pathogen’s whole genome.

Scientists have made some progress since the pandemic began, however. For example, a report, posted to the preprint server bioRxiv on 27 May, suggests that RmYN02, a coronavirus in bats in southern China, might be more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RATG13 is.

As for finding an intermediate host animal, researchers in China have tested more than 80,000 wild and domesticated animals; none have been positive for SARS-CoV-2. But this number is a tiny fraction of the animals in the country. To narrow the search down, researchers say, more strategic testing is needed to isolate animals that are most susceptible to infection and those that come in close contact with people. They also suggest using antibody tests to identify animals that have previously been infected with the virus.
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The whole article is well worth reading, such as the nature occurrence of furin cleavage site it mentions:

The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know​

Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
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Currently, rational voices are simply drown out by the hysteria of western media's lab-leak conspiracy theory. For example, we do not hear much about Chinese researchers' study about the probable nature occurrence of furin cleavage site as early as June 2020:
A Novel Bat Coronavirus Closely Related to SARS-CoV-2 Contains Natural Insertions at the S1/S2 Cleavage Site of the Spike Protein
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In this paper, which is almost completely ignored by the western media, Chinese researchers raise the possibility of multiple origins of COVID-19:

Analysis of the Genomic Distance Between Bat Coronavirus RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2 Reveals Multiple Origins of COVID-19​

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BTW, I hope all is well with this thread's starter localizer. I have not heard from him/her for a long time.
 
AssassinsMace

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You can pound the truth into the faces and they still won't believe it. It's a fool's errand to entertain it. I've been going around the internet saying the Spanish Flu is a 100 year-old deception from the US and people go ballistic because of the implication the US is guilty of doing what it charges China. They still believe it came from some place else other than the US. So you can only imagine how they wanted punish China hence why the anger at what I said because the US deserves. Many of they believe the US would never do such a thing because they're the good guys. Then I bring up small pox and bubonic plague to intentionally wipe out Native Americans and also what happened with Tuskegee. The US back during the Cold War let loose a lot of viruses into cities like in San Francisco just to study how far it would spread. They easily erase that out their minds because they want to believe they're incapable of such evil and then when someone like me reminds them, they all of sudden see what they want to do to the guilty being exacted upon them. The right-wing is against the 1619 project in the US because they don't want anything bad that US has done in history being taught yet they're also upset that Chinese aren't being taught about all the bad things China has done according to them so that they will support and overthrow of the communist regime.
 
4Runner

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AssassinsMace said:
You can pound the truth into the faces and they still won't believe it. It's a fool's errand to entertain it. I've been going around the internet saying the Spanish Flu is a 100 year-old deception from the US and people go ballistic because of the implication the US is guilty of doing what it charges China. They still believe it came from some place else other than the US. So you can only imagine how they wanted punish China hence why the anger at what I said because the US deserves. Many of they believe the US would never do such a thing because they're the good guys. Then I bring up small pox and bubonic plague to intentionally wipe out Native Americans and also what happened with Tuskegee. The US back during the Cold War let loose a lot of viruses into cities like in San Francisco just to study how far it would spread. They easily erase that out their minds because they want to believe they're incapable of such evil and then when someone like me reminds them, they all of sudden see what they want to do to the guilty being exacted upon them. The right-wing is against the 1619 project in the US because they don't want anything bad that US has done in history being taught yet they're also upset that Chinese aren't being taught about all the bad things China has done according to them so that they will support and overthrow of the communist regime.
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When people religiously believe in something, all bets are off.
 
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