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Reel China: It's rough out West for Chinese films
Films that have been blockbusters in China have failed to find much of a market in the U.S. Zhang Yimou's $100-million "The Heroes of Nanking," with Christian Bale and large portion of English dialogue, tries to change that.
July 03, 2011|By Steven Zeitchik and David Pierson, Los Angeles Times

Zeitchik reporting from L.A.; Pierson from Nanjing — When the Chow Yun-fat action-comedy epic "Let the Bullets Fly" opened in China last year, it quickly became a phenomenon. Lured by its splashy fight scenes and whip-snap dialogue, filmgoers swarmed theaters. The movie wound up taking in more than $100 million at the box office in China, the most for a homegrown film.

Yet despite its Hollywood-style violence and an actor with international name recognition, "Let the Bullets Fly" hasn't even managed to find a distributor in the United States. When it played the Tribeca Film Festival in April, there were walkouts. "It's not going to be for everyone," director and costar Jiang Wen said in an interview afterward. "I just make movies and hope people appreciate them."

Jiang isn't the only Chinese filmmaker who's making blockbusters at home and feeling unappreciated abroad. Feng Xiaogang's 2010 earthquake action drama "Aftershock," with nearly $100 million in receipts, received a token release in the U.S., where it took in only about $60,000. And John Woo's two-part war epic "Red Cliff" was a Hollywood-sized hit in China several years ago. But it didn't even crack the $1-million box-office mark when Mark Cuban's Magnolia Pictures released a condensed version stateside in 2009. Europe and the rest of Asia have been only slightly more receptive to these blockbusters.

Now comes Zhang Yimou, the decorated Chinese director of movies such as "Hero" and "House of Flying Daggers," who just wrapped up filming on a production he hopes will break that cycle. With a budget of $100 million, "The Heroes of Nanking" not only is the most expensive mainland production ever, it also has baked-in cross-cultural appeal: It stars Oscar-winning actor Christian Bale, and 40% of its dialogue is in English.

"I really wish this film can be popular and welcomed in the international market," Zhang said in an interview on the Nanjing movie set. "I personally advocate movies have to be fun to watch, which means ordinary audiences will be able to understand and accept it.... Such international a theme, story and structure will be very fresh."

The stakes are high for China as it seeks to penetrate the global film market. The government and private companies are pouring significant resources into the film industry; officials are eager to boost their country's cultural exports in a way that matches the already booming business in factory goods.

Yet Chinese movies have remained a largely local affair, experts say, for reasons that include a lack of international stars and differing storytelling styles. Moreover, China's censorship rules discourage racy scenes and push screenwriters toward politically safer period pieces (which Western audiences may find difficult to follow) and romantic comedies. Instead of a global-cinema powerhouse, some worry China is at risk of turning into another Bollywood: healthy on its home continent but limp abroad.

"We often hear that the Chinese market will quickly approach the U.S. market," Zhang said. "But it will still take a long time for a Chinese film to create international influence." (In 2010, U.S. box office receipts totaled $10.6 billion, almost all for American films, while receipts in China were $1.5 billion, with 44% of that going to American films.)

American parochialism is certainly an obstacle — foreign-language titles, after all, rarely find more than a niche audience in the U.S. But cinema experts say the problems speak as much to China's filmmaking conventions as they do to Western resistance.

"Hollywood often doesn't make American movies, it makes globally appealing movies," said David U. Lee, a Chinese movie expert who heads a co-production company and once ran an Asian film fund for Harvey Weinstein. "[But] Chinese filmmakers run on the assumption people already understand the story. It's laziness, and it makes it difficult to tell a story to a global audience."

Many of the current Chinese hits use historical reference points that elude Western audiences. "Let the Bullets Fly" is rife with allegorical meaning about standing up to corrupt leaders, while "Red Cliff" assumes a knowledge of Han dynasty politics.

"It does present a little bit of a problem when a 3rd century potentate is presented casually in the way an American filmmaker would present George Washington," Magnolia Pictures President Eamonn Bowles said.

Mainland Chinese cinema landed on the global stage in the 1980s and early 1990s as the country began to open up to the West. The movies of the so-called Fifth Generation sought to tell filmmaker-driven stories that were unimaginable during the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and 1970s. Several of those pictures, such as Zhang's "Ju Dou" and Chen Kaige's "Farewell My Concubine," found a Western audience but were mainly restricted to the art house.
 

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I saw a British TV show jumping on the undead zombie bandwagon. Of course they had to put a twist that was an analogy to AIDS where people who turned into zombies could come back to being human through drugs but the zombie virus was always in them and they would turn back if they stopped taking medication. So it was basically a drama of how these people lived living in society with the stigma of having the zombie virus. It would've been better if they actually did what a zombie story is suppose to do but it was just a drama in disguise of a zombie story.
 

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It is said the more you pressure the Chinese, the less likely they are to yield.

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Interesting how someone like Jackie Chan is hated because he doesn't follow what anti-China activists do. Yet he manages to do what they cannot. But then the cause they supposedly fight for is just a front or excuse for hiding something else.
 
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Back then when I was in high school, if I talk about fighter jets a bit more than 5 seconds, everyone rolls their eyes and wanna get outta there. I was considered boring, the "army guy", etc. I learned the hard way that serious topics are only left to certain audience, shouldn't be overloaded, and not suitable for engaging the public and friends.

I'm gonna come back to this talk in a bit, but my first reaction is, there's a reason why Gangnam style went viral, still didn't get nominated for Grammy's...while super singers from orchestra are barely hard in mainstream media. (unless you're Elton John) Ask yourself, what types of videos get >1 million views really quick. Is it the war and very serious stuffs? Or is it something people can relate to easier, or relaxing? (Music, funny videos, etc) Think about who the target audience is, and then ask yourself if the mainstream audience is interested in watching a historically accurate movie about a Chinese earthquake. Odds are, no one gives a f**k. Honestly, if 300 or even Pompeii was made without the "entertaining" components, it's not going to hit theaters with big name. As for Red Cliff, it's a bit of disappointment of its results, but again I think there's a lot about familiarity with characters. If they had Jet Li or Chow on the cover, life might be easier.

I may sound very sinister or cruel, but from a marketing perspective at the very least, how are you going to attract people? No one cares about who's the hero of Nanjing, and certainly even less cares about how great the Chinese culture, the Qing dynasty, the hard-fought battles of Sino-Japanese War..and yet these are already the stuffs that's on their TV all day long. The new generation is younger and cares less about these heavy topics. I'm into IR and these things already, but I will find it incredibly disturbing and annoying if all day that's on my TV will be documentaries and war films after war films. TV and such mass media is provided as a mean to relax the mind or person, and I certainly don't want to go home every night after work or go with my girlfriend to watch something so heavy. Even when I went to see a movie with my classmates(who are political science or international studies major and we were in an intensive month of dialogue and serious discussion stuffs and do all those really serious stuffs), when we unfortunately landed on a very deep/heavy movie, we left the theatre saying that we're done with heavy movies for a while because our minds need to take a break. The ideas I'm proposing are, familiarity, and engagement. How China approach all this is like that old man who talks about serious topics and history all day: the new generation is young and we prefer more color and excitement, so we will find those boring. Also compare why even Beijing Olympics is an extravaganza of theme of epic Chinese culture, while London Olympics is about fun, symbolic icons, younger culture(while Vancouver Winter Olympics is Canadian fun on stereotypes and multiculturalism, and then Sochi earning everyone's thumbs up for able to poke fun of their 5th ring for the closing ceremony)

Again, forgive me for saying such contestable things, but often the public acceptance is a symbol of certain thing's engagement value
 
It's the Hollywood reporter trying to fill page space and they're not exactly place for quality reporting. This is also a bit of a piece white western universalism for western mass. Look here see these Chinese they love white westerners in their entertainment no need to cast Asian actors born and raised in the west. Speaking for myself I never heard Benedict Cumberbatch until Star trek Into Darkness came out and I still don't care who he is and Dowtown Abbey sucks.

Yea I don't know what he looks like and still won't care.
 
Those are bad examples, but I think it's true Britain has a lot (there's also Harry Potter and countless musical acts). However it's unfair to bash China, because as far as I'm concerned there are only three pop culture superpowers in the world: USA, UK, and Japan. Every other country on earth struggles in this department.

Technically even UK isn't as big now. Japan and Korea is doing pretty well, with Japan for its anime particularly.
 
Like how soft power is peddled to China, popularity is meant to brainwash people into thinking their acceptance is important and should be sought. I'm sure the average viewership of Chinese TV shows regularly make the most popular TV shows in the US look like ratings losers. Raw numbers don't matter because if they don't like it, that's the only thing that counts. How undemocratic.

Well people like to compare and it's inevitable, even if it's not fair. However that, of course, is where marketing is important for products or whatsoever to learn how to enter a completely alien market.
 
Most British shows are over rated! Torchwood, Doctor Who, The Office, and Being Human I did not find them all that great but I guess if you get enough Americans to be a fan then it's the greatest thing on the planet.

I did like the American version of The Office lol. For all seriousness though, I think there's something about America's ability to broadcast its culture which is extremely interesting. Whether serious people like it or not, culture (media, music, film, arts, etc) is what builds stereotypes and gives colours to a certain group others do not understand much from. Of course ingroups won't like to be stereotyped that way, but importantly, stereotypes shred an insight to what others think of you.
 
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