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Blitzo

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Wouldn't the new tripod/Mengshi mounted ATGM make more sense at the battalion level? (HJ-16)

Given HJ-10 is brigade level.

HJ-12 would in turn make more sense at company level.
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According to this official report,
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"Attention, the movements must be steady and fast during the operation..." On August 27, a member of the third combined arms battalion fires company of a combined arms brigade of the 78th Group Army, private Zhou Pengfei, was demonstrating the anti-tank missile firing preparations.
HJ-12 is assigned to battalion level, at least for now.
Although I have to admit having HJ-16 at battalion level does make more sense. I'll look into the reasons behind that.
 

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According to this official report,
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HJ-12 is assigned to battalion level, at least for now.
Although I have to admit having HJ-16 at battalion level does make more sense. I'll look into the reasons behind that.

Probably the HJ-16 has yet to be inducted, and HJ-12 is starting to enter its way at battalion level?

Nevertheless, HJ-12 is still a relatively addition to the PLA as an operational capability, only within the last year or so.
 

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Probably the HJ-16 has yet to be inducted, and HJ-12 is starting to enter its way at battalion level?

Nevertheless, HJ-12 is still a relatively addition to the PLA as an operational capability, only within the last year or so.
I just noticed something. Here is my theory:
In some sources, HJ-16 is also referred to as the “车通弹”, "Universal Vehicle-borne Missile" and aims to replace all HJ-73s on IFVs.
So actually, HJ-16 will be operated at levels as low as platoons....:oops:
 

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I just noticed something. Here is my theory:
In some sources, HJ-16 is also referred to as the “车通弹”, "Universal Vehicle-borne Missile" and aims to replace all HJ-73s on IFVs.
So actually, HJ-16 will be operated at levels as low as platoons....:oops:

That would be quite surprising, given how much more capable HJ-16 is described to be, even compared to HJ-12 let alone HJ-73.

As far as I know, HJ-16 has only been seen carried so far on the Mengshi vehicle, and on tripod semi-man portable forms.
A universal vehicle borne ATGM certainly would be neat, but fitting HJ-16 to all current IFVs seems like quite an undertaking.


Not to mention, the greater reach, greater size and overall sophistication of HJ-16 would tend to make one assume they'd sit at a higher echelon than HJ-12.
I suppose time will tell.
 

KampfAlwin

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That would be quite surprising, given how much more capable HJ-16 is described to be, even compared to HJ-12 let alone HJ-73.

As far as I know, HJ-16 has only been seen carried so far on the Mengshi vehicle, and on tripod semi-man portable forms.
A universal vehicle borne ATGM certainly would be neat, but fitting HJ-16 to all current IFVs seems like quite an undertaking.


Not to mention, the greater reach, greater size and overall sophistication of HJ-16 would tend to make one assume they'd sit at a higher echelon than HJ-12.
I suppose time will tell.
Maybe he meant for the next generation of IFV to have the HJ-16s. Btw, is there an image of this HJ-16 and do we know roughly it's capabilities?
 

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I wonder why it is called HJ 16 because it neither is inducted in 2016, nor does it follow HJ 12 by just one higher number like HJ 13 which makes more sense. Can someone explain this?
 

FishWings

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I wonder why it is called HJ 16 because it neither is inducted in 2016, nor does it follow HJ 12 by just one higher number like HJ 13 which makes more sense. Can someone explain this?
There might have existed ongoing projects for HJ-13 to 15, but did not make it to the finalization stage yet. This is of course assuming that HJ-16 is indeed the official designation, although I don't think it is confirmed yet.
 

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