Chinese Air Tactics and fighting style

This is just like the land tactics in the land warfare forum, I got a feeling this will be closed, but... I wanna give it a try...

Against countries like Taiwan, China has no problem, China just need something better to clear the Taiwanese skies in a decisive move, and rip out all the attack/bomber planes with dumb bombs and smart bombs along with bunker-buster bombs, what about facing someone as powerful as the United State's mighty military or India's mighty military?

As said before in another topic...

1 Chinese AWACS with 8 J-11 sent to clear the skies (against 8 F-15C with 2 Raptors hidden), a F-22 sneak up to destroy thw AWACS, with its stealth, it succeeds, now without guidance support, the F-15Cs along with their long range fighting capabilities ambush and hits the J-11s from afar, leaving an American victory and a Chinese humiliation...

This is possible, what tactics will China use?

first of all, taiwan is NOT a country.

with the current chinese inventory of fighters, chances are they would try to get close to enemy aircrafts and get in dog fighting. since most of the more advanced fighters with PLAAF don't have BVR, and are better designed for dog fighting.

what gives you the impression that advanced chinese fighters don't have BVR?

the su-27s that china originally brought from russia doesn't have BVR. the J-11s they were building in shengyan also doesn't have BVR. and no one knows what's on the J-10.

J-10 uses SD-10 (this is well established) and could possibly use R-77 in the future.

the newest J8II are equipped with SD-10

the su-30s are obviously equipped with R-77

JF-17s should be equipped with SD-10

as for J-11, quoting from sinodefense

In late 2000 a high SAC official noted that not all 200 Su-27s might be built and there has been speculations that production would shift to a more modern design later. In mid-2002 SAC revealed its intention to build upgraded multirole version of the J-11 by revealing a mock-up armed with Kh-31P anti-radiation missiles (ARMs) and R-77 AAMs. The mock-up had the number “2001â€, perhaps implying that was the year Sukhoi and Shenyang agreed to the upgrade. There appear to be two paths for these upgrades. The first follows the China-funded upgrade programme that Sukhoi is now marketing for other customers. This would give J-11s made before and after 2002 a progressively better radar and attack avionics suite to support advanced anti-air, ground attack and naval attack weapons.

J-11B

It also appears that the PLAAF may have more ambitious plans for the J-11. In mid-2002 Russian sources indicated Shenyang was also pursuing another multirole version of the J-11 (possibly designated J-11B) with much higher Chinese-made content. In particular SAC wishes to replace the Tikomirov NIIP N001 radar with a Chinese equivalent model Shedian-10, and the Lyulka-Saturn AL-31F engines with a local version Woshan-10A (WS-10A). The new J-11 version is also expected to be armed with Chinese indigenous weapons, including the PL-12 (SD-10) active radar-homing medium-range air-to-air missile and very likely, a new SRAAM in development, plus a range of ground attack munitions. It may take another ten years for SAC to fully indigenise the J-11. Once the design matures, SAC is likely going to market the fighter for export customers.

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JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - APRIL 14, 2004

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Chinese missile may be for Pakistan's F-16s
ROBERT HEWSON Editor Jane's Air-Launched Weapons
Bangkok

"China is about to bring a second beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile (AAM) to the export market. The new weapon, to be known as the FD-60, is already in service with the People's Liberation Army Air Force as the PL-11.

In China it equips the Shen- yang J-8II 'Finback' interceptor but, according to the manufacturer, the export version is intended for the F-16 - a clear signal that Pakistan could be the lead customer.

Development of the FD-60 (PL-11) began in 1987 and was completed in 2000, according to the China National Precision Machinery Import & Export Corporation (CPMIEC). The weapon is described as an air-launched version of the LY-60 surface-to-air missile. It uses semi-active radar homing.

The missile borrows heavily from Aspide technology supplied by Italy before an arms embargo was imposed on China following the Tiananmen Square massacre.

China also had access to early-model US-built AIM-7 Sparrow missiles acquired via Vietnam, from which the Aspide itself is derived. Since the late 1980s Chinese technicians have been developing a Sparrow-class missile.

"Until now most observers had assessed the PL-11/FD-60 programme as a largely unsuccessful effort that had been overtaken by the more advanced PL-12/SD-10 active-radar AAM, developed under the leadership of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp (CATIC). However, it now appears that work on the PL-11/FD-60 has continued, perhaps to provide a back-up capability in the event of problems with the PL-12/SD-10 but also because CPMIEC has identified an export market for the missile.

As the FD-60 is based largely on the Aspide/Sparrow design, integrating it with US-built aircraft should be relatively straightforward. Such a missile would be of great interest to existing customers of Chinese equipment, such as Pakistan and Iran, that have inventories of US fighters for which they cannot obtain advanced weapons - chiefly BVR missiles.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is already working on acquiring a BVR combat capability through the SD-10 and JF-17 Thunder (CATIC FC-1 fighter) combination. However, the opportunity to add a BVR AAM to its inventory much sooner (via the F-16) would surely be seized by the PAF command, which has already identified such weapons as one of its highest acquisition priorities."

J-10 is also expected to use PL-11

Taiwan air force's weakness is the shortage of missiles. Last time I checked they have only 120 AMRAAMs and 900 AIM-9. Should China make a surprise attack which it probably won't (maybe wait until Taiwan declares independence), it would take maybe a few days for fresh missiles to be sent from the US... if they agree to send it, which I believe is quite likely. If it's not a surprise attack, Taiwan may request new missiles before declaring independence.

no bvr? yeah right. they have crappy radars, but by no means no bvr. pakistan must share the f-16s radar with china. its much better than the russian shit.
if taiwan request missles because it wants to declare independence, the u.s will not sell. and china would invvade right away.